Tottenham vs Swansea: Match Thread

[glacierSpurs]

It's a fan forum, not an Oxbridge debating society. Three crap home performances in the league entitles people to debate, speculate and even be critical. No one is advocating that Poch is crap but to ridicule people's frustrations and anxieties is a bit limiting really

This.

There is no denial on some questionable decisions from Poch. Did a few times, and still does it today. The critics here were not even malicious to deem Poch out but some sarcasm and neg-repping seems more appropriate for some to cut the discussions short.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

Sometimes when teams park the bus, it works. That's why they do it, most teams will try to do it to us as we're a better footballing side than most.

It's early days in the season and we're not truly flowing yet, Swansea were well drilled and we failed to beat their lines with dribbling and passing. That being said we should've had one pen and we hit the crossbar, on another day and all that

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

How can you disagree with what I find funny?
I'll laugh at the experts in here if I wanna matey boy.

Humour is objective is it? Fuck, better start laughing at all those 'hilarious' Hale and Pace routines which were so popular in the 80s

 

[daryl hannah]

I do agree we lack creativity and composure and I think part of the problem was Poch's team choice/subs and setup. At times we had 2 up top in amongst 6 of theirs across the back. Outnumbered and no gaps in the channels. It looked like we were trying to pass and walk the ball into the back of the net through a jungle of players.

That said, we had 4/5 decent chances to score/efforts on goal.

—Kane's long range effort to the left of the post
—Kane's flicked-on-header from a corner that Fabianski saved well
—Kane's free kick to the bttm-right hand corner - also saved, and saved very well.
—Son's run towards the left post from the byline
—Trippier's shot at the death that bent away from goal at the last minute

A few shots blazed over by the usual suspects. And awful reffing with 3 calls for penalties for us. Mike Dean got a lot of calls wrong on fouls as well.

One of those days, but not the end of the world.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

Just watched the match. As soon as Kane hit the bar it was clear we were fucked. Too many players played badly today. Kane looked up for it but we struggled to get him the ball.

Trippier was awful on both sides. Know for his crossing yet he barely crossed it all match.

Why was KWP deemed good enough against Everton but not good enough against Swansea?

Loads of issues today but ultimately if Eriksen and Alli play badly we seem to be fucked.

It says everything really when Son, who was essentially playing wingback, looked miles better than Trippier did. I'm totally in favor of dropping Trippier entirely. He's never going to be anything more than bang average. KWP may be better than that eventually and could use his minutes backing up Aurier.

 

[heelspurs]

you mean the wingbacks who were in the final third for most of the game and 2 of 3 cb who played some lovely passes as if they were the central midfield? Or do you mean the one defender hanging out with Tammy on the half way line?

Ok, this is kinda ridiculous. What threat did the WBs possess when they were in the "final third for most of the game"? That is the point that you are not accepting.
It was the selection of the particular WBs that did not give us the best chance to win. Trips' crossing was negated by defensive positioning and a packed box. He couldn't/wouldn't go past his man so we got nothing from the right. And then Sissoko on the right was never going to work too well.

Sonny and the Trips on the left negates Sonny's attacking and then gives us no width or drive with Trips. How do you not see that this is a problem with selection and has nothing to do with Swansea? Ergo, the fuck up came even before kick-off. Hence the criticism of Poch.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I do agree we lack creativity and composure and I think part of the problem was Poch's team choice/subs and setup. At times we had 2 up top in amongst 6 of theirs across the back. Outnumbered and no gaps in the channels. It looked like we were trying to pass and walk the ball into the back of the net through a jungle of players.

That said, we had 4/5 decent chances to score/efforts on goal.

—Kane's long range effort to the left of the post
—Kane's flicked-on-header from a corner that Fabianski saved well
—Kane's free kick to the bttm-right hand corner - also saved, and saved very well.
—Son's run towards the left post from the byline
—Trippier's shot at the death that bent away from goal at the last minute

A few shots blazed over by the usual suspects. And awful reffing with 3 calls for penalties for us. Mike Dean got a lot of calls wrong on fouls as well.

One of those days, but not the end of the world.

Mike Dean honestly boiled my blood so much today, that's the only thing I can say I am honestly angry about. A ref with so much experience should not be making so many mistakes. There needs to be some consequences for ref's who make so many bad calls in a single game.

 

[shelfboy68]

I don't think we're title contenders this year, essentially playing 38 games away from home. If we make top 4 it'll be a triumph, then we'll be playing at the best home ground in the league next season. Never mind city.

I agree I said during the summer that we wouldn't be anywhere near title contenders this year as I felt 5/6th at best due to the reasons you stated.
But the management need to come up with a plan to combat teams who park up against us, if others can find ways around us we need to find ways around them.

 

[Streetspur77]

This.

There is no denial on some questionable decisions from Poch. Did a few times, and still does it today. The critics here were not even malicious to deem Poch out but some sarcasm and neg-repping seems more appropriate for some to cut the discussions short.

Some of the critisism was somewhat malicious though, and carries this ridiculous idea that poch is "tactically inept", tim sherwood is tactically inept, not poch being unlucky not to beat swansea

 

[cheeseman]

So maybe not all areas were addressed during the recent window then seeing as eriksen is our sole provider.
We just played everything in front of them which is easy to defend against, then we resorted to playing balls over the top which again didn't work with our shooting tonight simply turd.
Fuck knows how many city would have put past this lot tonight as they currently look different class already.

Just like last season when they had a 100% record until we murdered 'em.

 

[bubble07]

Can someone explain why Poch doesnt play eriksen in the CM2 to allow another forward player against teams who just come to defend?

Would really like some reasons

Thanks

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

Poch's team selection was plainly wrong. Playing Son as a wing back didn't work before and it didn't work today. Sissoko doesn't really deserve his place. I can't help thinking that today's weird selection was in part due to Poch being seduced by a mistaken belief in his own tactical brilliance after Wednesdays result.
We're a very good side, definitely one of the best four sides in the country, but if this pattern of poor results at home continues for much longer, we simply aren't going to accrue enough points to qualify for the champions league next year.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Some of the critisism was somewhat malicious though, and carries this ridiculous idea that poch is "tactically inept", tim sherwood is tactically inept, not poch being unlucky not to beat swansea

It's really limited to one or two posts. Most people are just recognising a pattern that needs fixing and discussing it. The two types of responses are completely different yet get tarred with the same brush by one or two other types of posters

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Can someone explain why Poch doesnt play eriksen in the CM2 to allow another forward player against teams who just come to defend?

Would really like some reasons

Thanks

You lost me when I saw Rabiot in your signature. My God the damage we could do with that Lad in our squad.

 

[bubble07]

You lost me when I saw Rabiot in your signature. My God the damage we could do with that Lad in our squad.

Rabiot would just be insane against shit teams like swansea

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Rabiot would just be insane against shit teams like swansea

The exact type of player we need for games like today. The ball he played for Neymar in mid-week that split 3 Celtic defenders in half is exactly the kind of creativity we need.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Shouldn't have to rely on a ref alone; that's just asking for it. We were blunt against a fair to mediocre side

We actually had a fair few games like this last season. The difference was that we generally got the goal we needed, rather than because we played better or differently. If we'd been awarded (and scored) a penalty or Kane's chance had gone in off the underside of the bar, I imagine the comments here would be completely different, even though the overall performance would have been the same.

 

[spids]

He should have taken Sissoko off at HT and moved to a back 4 with Verts at LB if he didn't want to play Davies at any point (why name him on the bench then?).

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Can someone explain why Poch doesnt play eriksen in the CM2 to allow another forward player against teams who just come to defend?

Would really like some reasons

Thanks

It could interfere with his desire to have 4 central defenders on the field?

 

[HW61]

Obviously frustrating result. Don't get the dramatic tactical changes and some of Poch's choices. But this Wembley hoodoo crap by the media just shows how thick journos are, just desperate for attention.

We are completely different to the champions league games last year. We're using the pitch far better and actually the atmosphere is fine. I think the players mindset is far better. It just needs to click with a bit of fortune fairly swiftly.