Transfer Forums - suggestions and feedback
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MilkyBarYid
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Sweech
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I really like the Twitter page + discussion thread they've got going on over at Redcafe.
I don't really check the discussion thread but I check the Twitter page almost daily during the transfer window. It's called "Transfer Tweets" and it's attached to the top of each page.
It's essentially a "read only" and is populated with the tweets from official club pages, popular news outlets, well respected journalists, vetted ITK, personal player accounts, etc.
They generally do a very good job of keeping it up to date with lots of their own personal United news, but also with news and rumours for basically every Premier League team. It's one of the best "one stop shop" for what's going on in the league during a transfer window.
Obviously I would prefer one that was more Spurs centric and it could be a thing we could do here. I understand it would be a busy job for whomever manages it though and I'm well aware A&C always has his hands full with the ITK thread plus generally hates Twitter anyway so it would have to be mods or trusted posters who use Twitter regularly, plus follow trusted sources and aren't drawn in by BS.
I know other general discussion threads for Twitter, ITK, etc. Have been tried without success and since I don't care about the thread they use at Redcafe anyway I'd suggest possibly not even bothering since it seems they have a hard time keeping it on topic as well.
I don't really check the discussion thread but I check the Twitter page almost daily during the transfer window. It's called "Transfer Tweets" and it's attached to the top of each page.
It's essentially a "read only" and is populated with the tweets from official club pages, popular news outlets, well respected journalists, vetted ITK, personal player accounts, etc.
They generally do a very good job of keeping it up to date with lots of their own personal United news, but also with news and rumours for basically every Premier League team. It's one of the best "one stop shop" for what's going on in the league during a transfer window.
Obviously I would prefer one that was more Spurs centric and it could be a thing we could do here. I understand it would be a busy job for whomever manages it though and I'm well aware A&C always has his hands full with the ITK thread plus generally hates Twitter anyway so it would have to be mods or trusted posters who use Twitter regularly, plus follow trusted sources and aren't drawn in by BS.
I know other general discussion threads for Twitter, ITK, etc. Have been tried without success and since I don't care about the thread they use at Redcafe anyway I'd suggest possibly not even bothering since it seems they have a hard time keeping it on topic as well.
Woodyy
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Agreed, I think the ratings feature on this site is brilliant and I think it would be nice to have it expanded on with 2-3 additions. I think pessimistic is a good idea and maybe something that doesn't seem as black and white as "disagree", something along the lines of "unsure", someone can probably think of a better word. I understand it's a balancing act though because if the site ended up with too many rating options it would look a bit gimmicky/tacky.
The only issue I had with the ITK/transfer threads was identifying the ITK posts without reading every other post, looks like you've already addressed that.
nailsy
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That works really well Rob. I've just been in the Aurier thread and you can pick out his posts really easily. It doesn't seem to work in the ITK archive though.
One more thing...are the blue arrows in the quotation boxes new? I only noticed them this week. They're a handy way to get back to the original post to get a bit more context.
One more thing...are the blue arrows in the quotation boxes new? I only noticed them this week. They're a handy way to get back to the original post to get a bit more context.
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THFCSPURS19
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@Rob - the only problem I can foresee with the highlighting stuff is that some ITKs such as Trix post stuff in the Game of Thrones thread for example - and it wouldn't be necessary for his posts to be highlighted there. JJ on the other hand only really posts ITK (unfortunately), so it would be fine with him.
gibbospurs
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Wrt, #1, that different identity would be The Goat but it kind of defeats the purpose of "Not for RO" posts if they are posted by the ITK publicly in the thread but put into the RO under The Goat.
Also @Rob, while aesthetically the highlighting of ITK looks very nice and its a good idea especially since alot of times people are just scrolling through mindless discussion in the ITK thread, I see a few potential problems. If that is around every ITK's post, it could get a bit confusing after a while especially as most ITK contribute to SC as a regular poster and not just as ITK. Also, I'm not sure if is a good idea to bring further attention to posts that arent for the RO. If it is possible to give verified ITK the option to highlight the post or not, that might be the best route to mitigate these issues.
Dazza86
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I think one of the problems is that the ITK thread becomes the centre of all transfer rumour discussion, especially when more than 1 player is involved. For years it's been the go to thread for everyone venting and describing what they want to happen.
How about a thread related to general Spurs transfers? When the section isn't open, one of the most popular threads is the "transfer window x" threads in Spurs Chat. If that continued here, with people being able to list money numbers, players we should look at, etc, but all Spurs related, that could help?
How about a thread related to general Spurs transfers? When the section isn't open, one of the most popular threads is the "transfer window x" threads in Spurs Chat. If that continued here, with people being able to list money numbers, players we should look at, etc, but all Spurs related, that could help?
MilkyBarYid
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I'm guessing @Rob might be able to apply some logic where poster=Trix & forum=transfer then highlight?
BringBack_leGin
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I'm not sure much needs to be done, I think you guys have it working really well. Having both individual threads and a daily ITK thread is brilliant (I remember when you guys attemoted to have just one big ITK thread for the whole window, that was not good).
I think the only think that might slightly improve the forum is a facility for unverified ITK, a place where someone who has something but isn't willing able to corroborate things with you can post it and we can discuss it, under the strict proviso that nothing from there ends up being discussed/ taken into the daily ITK thread. A 'massive pinch of salt, it's you're own choice if you choose to believe this because it's 99% likely to be codswallap" thread. The only caveat I would add is that someone would still have to clear it with a mod before posting it so that we don't get totally crazy posts, e.g. Messi.. DONE.
An example, I knew about Walker being dropped for the semi final and Son playing left wing back long before kick off, about 3 hours, and then knew about him leaving long before stories ever hit the press, because the bloke I sit next to at Spurs is actually good friends with a guy from Sky Sports, I would have never posted anything to that effect in the ITK thread (well the second part, first part obviously not relevant to transfer forum technically) because it was friend of a friend ITK, but as it turns out it was actually solid and could've been worthwhile for the looser thread.
I think the only think that might slightly improve the forum is a facility for unverified ITK, a place where someone who has something but isn't willing able to corroborate things with you can post it and we can discuss it, under the strict proviso that nothing from there ends up being discussed/ taken into the daily ITK thread. A 'massive pinch of salt, it's you're own choice if you choose to believe this because it's 99% likely to be codswallap" thread. The only caveat I would add is that someone would still have to clear it with a mod before posting it so that we don't get totally crazy posts, e.g. Messi.. DONE.
An example, I knew about Walker being dropped for the semi final and Son playing left wing back long before kick off, about 3 hours, and then knew about him leaving long before stories ever hit the press, because the bloke I sit next to at Spurs is actually good friends with a guy from Sky Sports, I would have never posted anything to that effect in the ITK thread (well the second part, first part obviously not relevant to transfer forum technically) because it was friend of a friend ITK, but as it turns out it was actually solid and could've been worthwhile for the looser thread.
daryl hannah
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I agree with the idea that the Daily ITK Discussion Thread should be solely for Herc, JJ, Trix, Dov, Breezer, Goat etc. To that end, please remove the word, "Discussion" (misleading) from its title and lock it. Give the ITKs access to post here, and them only. The highlighted box works well for player thread ITK.
Have a separate thread called, "General Transfer Discussion" or some such. People are crying out for it. Cryptics, guesses and formations etc could be discussed here, along with Winner ratings by the mods and ITKs.
Don't really understand why we have the RO - as anyone coming to the site just heads to the Daily thread. Who is the RO for?
I like the idea of a couple of extra ratings options.
I don't really know what you do about Twitter.
Have a separate thread called, "General Transfer Discussion" or some such. People are crying out for it. Cryptics, guesses and formations etc could be discussed here, along with Winner ratings by the mods and ITKs.
Don't really understand why we have the RO - as anyone coming to the site just heads to the Daily thread. Who is the RO for?
I like the idea of a couple of extra ratings options.
I don't really know what you do about Twitter.
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It only highlights in the transfer forums.
sparx100
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For me this seems eminently sensible. I would say that at the start of each thread a sticky is put in there to explain the rules for that thread and MBY has a really good suggestion.
It wasn't official but I thought the Self Moderating with Spam ratings seemed to work. Rob said it made identifying off-topic stuff easier for bans. Open to abuse by individuals but the masses seemed to be right every time. Maybe make this policy to help the mods.
I remember a few years ago in the dark days of made up ITK there was a list of verified ITKs published to control it. Maybe that could be changed to verified twitter accounts for journalists. Then have a RO journalist thread where valid tweets go which members can flag and can also be discussed in the same discussion thread.
I remember a few years ago in the dark days of made up ITK there was a list of verified ITKs published to control it. Maybe that could be changed to verified twitter accounts for journalists. Then have a RO journalist thread where valid tweets go which members can flag and can also be discussed in the same discussion thread.
Led's Zeppelin
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I think the moderation can become a little awkward at times, through no individual's fault. I think it sometimes spoils the best football forum on the net.
I completely accept that it's a difficult job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it, and most of the time it is exceptionally well implemented. I congratulate the moderators and thank them for doing a job, voluntarily, that most of us wouldn't and couldn't do for money. Their hard work enables us to enjoy the forum, and it is appreciated. And I also accept that it's up to us to understand and abide by the rules, and no one else can be blamed for our own mistakes.
Nevertheless it is not beyond improvement, both for the good of the forum members as a whole and for the sake of the mods themselves who often appear to spend more time explaining and warning people about the rules than they do enjoying the forum, which must be wrong. The fact that there are so many transgressions of the ITK rules suggests that something in the rules themselves isn't quite right.
For example, I felt slightly aggrieved when I made the only post I've ever put in the ITK discussion thread, only to receive an immediate ban, presumably because it was a (positive and mild) reply to a point about Spurs' general transfer policy rather than a response to one specific piece of ITK. I can live with that, it was my error, but since we're being asked for opinions, it does strike me that such a level of intense scrutiny of individual posts and lack of discretion must be exhausting for everyone, and when people who otherwise never have the slightest issue with the moderators or the rules struggle to comply in the way they do in the ITK forum, it's almost certainly a sign of a weakness in that specific set of rules.
I do wish that as a community we could be one degree more accommodating and friendly between ourselves about how the rules are formulated and applied. Or provide an ITK-related thread where a bit of civil digression can be tolerated. Or if that isn't what the moderators feel comfortable with, can we consider whether the rules themselves are perfectly ideal ? It's clearly a major job moderating the forum, particularly during the transfer window, and for many people it's a job interpreting the rules in the heat of the debate, as the comments frequently make clear, and it really shouldn't be so fraught for both the moderators and for the community. Should it? It's only football chat in the end.
I completely accept that it's a difficult job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it, and most of the time it is exceptionally well implemented. I congratulate the moderators and thank them for doing a job, voluntarily, that most of us wouldn't and couldn't do for money. Their hard work enables us to enjoy the forum, and it is appreciated. And I also accept that it's up to us to understand and abide by the rules, and no one else can be blamed for our own mistakes.
Nevertheless it is not beyond improvement, both for the good of the forum members as a whole and for the sake of the mods themselves who often appear to spend more time explaining and warning people about the rules than they do enjoying the forum, which must be wrong. The fact that there are so many transgressions of the ITK rules suggests that something in the rules themselves isn't quite right.
For example, I felt slightly aggrieved when I made the only post I've ever put in the ITK discussion thread, only to receive an immediate ban, presumably because it was a (positive and mild) reply to a point about Spurs' general transfer policy rather than a response to one specific piece of ITK. I can live with that, it was my error, but since we're being asked for opinions, it does strike me that such a level of intense scrutiny of individual posts and lack of discretion must be exhausting for everyone, and when people who otherwise never have the slightest issue with the moderators or the rules struggle to comply in the way they do in the ITK forum, it's almost certainly a sign of a weakness in that specific set of rules.
I do wish that as a community we could be one degree more accommodating and friendly between ourselves about how the rules are formulated and applied. Or provide an ITK-related thread where a bit of civil digression can be tolerated. Or if that isn't what the moderators feel comfortable with, can we consider whether the rules themselves are perfectly ideal ? It's clearly a major job moderating the forum, particularly during the transfer window, and for many people it's a job interpreting the rules in the heat of the debate, as the comments frequently make clear, and it really shouldn't be so fraught for both the moderators and for the community. Should it? It's only football chat in the end.
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The ITK Discussion Thread is for discussing ITK.
I'm not sure how we make it any simpler than that?
Of course discussing our general transfer policy isn't allowed in there. Nor fomations/tactics. Noe who you think we should sign. Nor the other million things that aren't discussing the ITK.
It's not that the rules are confusing or hidden. It's that they're ignored. Do we change the rules to something else because people ignore them as they are?
I'm not sure how we make it any simpler than that?
Of course discussing our general transfer policy isn't allowed in there. Nor fomations/tactics. Noe who you think we should sign. Nor the other million things that aren't discussing the ITK.
It's not that the rules are confusing or hidden. It's that they're ignored. Do we change the rules to something else because people ignore them as they are?
