What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 21/22

[sly1]

Yeah it’s not anti Semitic at all.
It’s accusing Levy of being racist.

It's accusing Levy of being racist...based purely on the fact that he's Jewish.

It's a pretty clear case of antisemitism. And I'm not someone that automatically assumes accusations of antisemitism or anything else are fair.

 

[BosSpurs08]

It's accusing Levy of being racist...based purely on the fact that he's Jewish.

It's a pretty clear case of antisemitism. And I'm not someone that automatically assumes accusations of antisemitism or anything else are fair.

Gotta agree with this. Understand/am sympathetic to the instinct to not overuse labels, but I think the importance of sentiment vs. language is key here. If one only focuses on the latter, it makes it easy to dress up ugly sentiment in nicer language which makes it all the more dangerous.

A logical test I use for myself is "if X said/did a thing because they are Y," and Y is some immutable aspect of a person (race, religion, sexual identity), then it's by definition racist/sexist/antisemetic sentiment and pretty clear cut at that.

Where it gets trickier is when you enter the realm of anecdotes etc. Good example of this is that it's an established fact that Levy is a tough negotiator and very budget conscious. There are many ways to express this without dabbling into antisemitism, but there are plenty of examples (often from opposing supporters) where it crosses the line into broader cultural/faith-based generalizations, and that's not ok either.

 

[sausage]

Not sure who these are who this watford fan is referencing:

 

[JCRD]

Amazing how they talk about a World class player that wanted to join their club but whose club wouldn’t pay the money.

and someone who apparently wasnt worth the money

Absolute ****s

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Is that really anti-semitic? Is it not just saying that Jews and Arabs don't get along?

I know this isn't the place but I feel that the term anti-semitic is thrown about way too much. People are just wa****s generally and racism/sexism/homophobia etc are just vehicles through which they can express their wa****iness! That's not to diminish these issues, it's just to say that not every criticism of black people, Jewish people or gay people is racist, anti-semitic or homophobic.

I'm not Jewish, I'm mixed jamican and English, so please forgive my relative ignorance of the issue and any offence I may have caused as a result.

The PRESUMPTION that anyone who is Jewish finds Muslims too vile to do any business with is indeed anti-semitic.

The other way around would be islamophobic.

The truth is millions of Jews do business with millions of Muslims every year. To assume that all modern Jews and Muslims are beholden to a thousand year old religious dispute is bigoted at best.

 

[HodisGawd]

The PRESUMPTION that anyone who is Jewish finds Muslims too vile to do any business with is indeed anti-semitic.

The other way around would be islamophobic.

The truth is millions of Jews do business with millions of Muslims every year. To assume that all modern Jews and Muslims are beholden to a thousand year old religious dispute is bigoted at best.

It's also spectacularly dumb.

 

[Tim Spur Would]

The BM poster did not mention Levy was Jewish, just that he might be racist. For all we know that poster might think Levy is a Gentile who is racist against their owners. Is it racist to assume a gentile is racist against Arabs?

It’s a logical fallacy to assume the motive of their accusation. This racism inquisition boils down to accusing racism from an accuser of racism against the race of the accused because it’s racist to assume racism. Yet you’ve all just assumed racism yourselves. Your unfounded accusations of racism are just as bad as the blue moon poster’s.

I came in here to see if any fans were gutted we were getting pape matar sarr and instead it’s our own fans getting their tits in a tangle trying to find racism anywhere and everywhere.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

Whenever I read this level of hopelessness from opposition fans it can only mean one thing...

This does sound just like the Newcastle fans before our Home game last year.
reminder: We were all over them and they equalised with a 96th min pen that was so dodgy it made IFAB change the handball law in our favour. Just like UEFA changed the CL qualification rules after Chelscum fucked us.
COYFS

 

[sly1]

The BM poster did not mention Levy was Jewish, just that he might be racist. For all we know that poster might think Levy is a Gentile who is racist against their owners. Is it racist to assume a gentile is racist against Arabs?

It’s a logical fallacy to assume the motive of their accusation. This racism inquisition boils down to accusing racism from an accuser of racism against the race of the accused because it’s racist to assume racism. Yet you’ve all just assumed racism yourselves. Your unfounded accusations of racism are just as bad as the blue moon poster’s.

I came in here to see if any fans were gutted we were getting pape matar sarr and instead it’s our own fans getting their tits in a tangle trying to find racism anywhere and everywhere.

You’re the only one that seems not to have understood the connotation here. It’s pretty clear. It’s also pretty clear to the rest of the posters on Blue Moon. After a few responses along the lines of “why would you say that?”, there was this:

(From Blue Moon)

“Zipping through these posts the way one does, I misread you at first and was really surprised. I thought, now why did he post that? I initially thought you were saying that Kane had misgivings about the ethnicity of City's owners!
Now that I've read you more carefully: yes, that Levy might have misgivings doesn't seem absolutely far fetched to me. I've always been surprised by how much otherwise balanced and reasonable Jewish friends go haywire whenever the question of Arabs (any Arabs, not just Hezbollah or whoever) comes up.
That said, it's unlikely, I think. Levy just doesn't want to give up his one crown jewel and be truly hated by the fans. I think the money side of it never really interested him. He knew damn well he couldn't attract a striker anywhere near Kane's quality to a club that were last champions disturbingly close to my date of birth, even with £150 million to wave about (which we apparently never bid and were never prepared to, anyway).
With that contract, he had Kane by the short and curlies, and he knew it.”

 

[Marty]

Not sure who these are who this watford fan is referencing:

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Weird statement, everyone knows Sugar is a **** but he did save the club from folding so have to be a tiny bit grateful for that.

 

[Fitchspur]

“Never forget that we would have beaten Spurs last time we played them in the league if Deeney hadn't missed a penalty...”

Well if this is the logic we go with, then I’ll join in.. never forget, we would have won the champions league if we’d scored three goals ?

 

[PLTuck]

Never forget that we'd have won the league if we hadn't not won it.

 

[sly1]

“Never forget that we would have beaten Spurs last time we played them in the league if Deeney hadn't missed a penalty...”

Well if this is the logic we go with, then I’ll join in.. never forget, we would have won the champions league if we’d scored three goals ?

We should have a minute’s silence every year to remember the time Watford would have beaten us if Deeney hadn’t missed a penalty.

 

[animalmom]

From Arsemania

From May onwards

The absolute scenes when they miss out on Europe, have a mountain of debt to pay back and their fans demand that Jose is sacked but the club just can't afford to do it because of the payout they'd need to give him. This is the perfect storm that many on here predicted.
Imagine their fans next season when they've sold Son and Kane to " balance the books, and manage their debts " but they're still stuck with Mourinho

Kane has 3 years in contract, Son has 2 years. They likely have to sell Son, and I'm not surprised if he wants out.

Harry Kane's agent doesn't get enough criticism. His contract runs till 2024 and apparently the last extension was in 2016. What the hell was he signing such a long extension for? He now has a client achieving well below what he should be achieving and who will turn 28 this summer, and whom no one can buy because he's too expensive with too long on his contract.

Doubt they'll spend the money to fire Jose, at least not this season.

Any good DOF won't be joining Sp**s as long levy is thier owner.

With how many ankle injuries Kane suffers, it's curious how he always comes back in half the time expected. If he has a repetitive problem it should take longer to heal. Makes you wonder if he's doing something dodgy.

Kane at Chelsea? At City? Sp**s fans in epic meltdown! Hmmm... ??

And just like that, they're back into mediocrity for the next few years at least. Can't see son staying of Kane leaves unless Levy offers him a ridiculous contract which ain't happening.

Do we make a bid? If we have 250M to spend why not?

Hairspray busy calculating if we can afford both Kane and Grealish ( Along with 17 other players) from our Kroenke war chest :lol:

I think we might actually get Grealish. Meanwhile, lololololololololololololololololololol at Sp**s.

Wait, what if sp*rs buy Grealish with the Kane money?!?!

Levy said a month back that he wouldn't sell Kane to another PL club, but I didn't believe him.

As expected, Kane and probably Son as well are leaving Sp**s. Sp**s has always been a stepping stone for big players so that they can eventually move on to a big club where they can win titles.

think it’s more than likely that Son are gonna leave Sp**s this summer. Bayern are reportedly after him.

They know their time in the sun is over - star player is fed up and wants out, possibly no European football and a huge stadium debt to be paid back. Unless they can get an incredible manager in, you feel like they’re in the **** now!

The thing getting lost in all this is that Son's contract expires in 2023. He's at the so called 2 year juncture. He will be watching things closely. I'd be very surprised if he signs an extension. It has Erikson written all over it.

If Sp**s gets players plus cash for Kane, that isn’t as devastating a loss. Hudson Odoi/Tammy Abraham plus cash being speculated if it’s Chelsea. Those are two very very good young players.

Kane with a 1 hour interview with Neville. He is basically begging city to come and get him. This is embarrassing

Levy has probably been planning a sale for quite some time and definitely won't be too unhappy about what is already being put on the table as clubs compete for Kane.

We can still have the ultimate laugh of St Totteringham’s day on Sunday. It’s been too long. One game to go and we’re in with a shout.

So if Arteta finishes below a Tottenham that doesn't have Kane, does he get the sack?

Let's all still laugh at Tottenham. We're having our worst season in 25 years and they are only a point ahead and could possibly overtake them on the last day

Gooner itk:
I've been told that certain share owners of Tottenham have not been happy with Levy and want to see him replaced. Majority owner doesn't want that but there may be a shake-up. Kane will most likely stay at Tottenham for another season. (June 2nd)

No CL, best player wants to leave and no oil money owner yet they're still targetting the best manager (Conte) available on the market whilst we put our tail between our legs and accept our falling into mediocrity. We can all laugh about the lack of trophies but let's face it, Sp**s have at least tried to behave like a big club far more than us in the last 10 or so years.

look like Paratici joining Sp**s even if conte not join. i really don't know about this appointment most of his dealings at Juve ended up badly.

I've never been quick to praise or hype up Sp**s as it is, but I promise you they're absolutely ****ed now. This is a cross-roads moment.
New manager not convincing Kane, if anything it reinforces his desire to leave. He'll look at it and think "ah I see we're going for the 2-3 year rebuilding project again, no thanks". Add to that they're probably not gonna be seriously backed financially to the degree that'll make them anyway competitive.

We can honestly breath a sigh of relief now as Sp**s won't be competitive for the foreseeable future. Now if only we can get our own act together. Won't hold my breath.

Good. St totteringham's day will come early next year. Even with Arteta.

Apparently Nuno Santo is now becoming the leading candidate.

Horrendous appointment, will be even more embarrassing when we finish below them again.

Good appointment... for us

Son seems perfect for Nuno, the CMs group a good fit + reunited with Doherty just a hard task to sign the right striker & a couple of CBs with the Kane money

Kane almost single handedly gave Sp**s relevancy as a club. He’s the one thing separating them from Everton.

Getting Son on a new contract was a great move. They should sell Kane and build around son, watching him at the Euros he looks like he's gonna be a finished player soon.

Kane not shown up for training today

Kane vs levy….we deserve an exciting last month of the window. Daaamn Mr Tottenham Kane the gentleman refusing to train

Not surprised. The guy has Arsenal DNA.

Reminds me a lot of the Fabregas situation when he left us. Kane kicking up a fuss will give him the leverage he needs … City basically forcing Sp**s to accept a lower fee or have an unhappy player on their books.

Heard they stripped Kane of his Audi Cup winners medal, heartless.

They’ll sell if the bid is big enough. Levy can’t sell for less than 150M.

Can’t be having Sp**s with 160m to rebuild they shop in the same tier as we do. Very interesting to see how Levy handles this he typically gets the full price for their top players.

Signing a 6 year deal was such a mistake by Kane. He tied himself to the club and now he cannot get away without starting this ****show!

Think Sp**s will accept a much lower fee for him than they expect like we did with Cesc. Having an unhappy player stinking the place out will just create further rifts within their team.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that this treachery would happen to the spuds. Especially from "One of their own". They're going nowhere a lot faster than we are

Their signings don't inspire a lot of confidence either. They're all getting giddy over a geezer called Brian and a midget CB from Itay. This Patrici bloke gives the off the vibe of one of these chancers that come into the league, spend a load of money on these "hidden gems" from abroad to get the fans onside, then buggers off after a year when it all inevitably goes tits up.

Kane reporting back for training this week, in proper Sp**s fashion he bottled it…

Kane will still leave it needed Modric Bale and Berbatov to go on strike for levy to let them leave.

£160m is a complete joke. No way he is worth that, especially with his wobbly ankles.

As Arsenal fans we hope this saga drags on and never concludes for various reasons:

- It alienates Kane and Sp**s fans even more
- Kane will not have the same super form under a downright average manager in Nuno
- It blocks any new transfer plans they have
- It probably disrupts their plans for stadium debts

If City pull out at last minute, it will be hilarious for these and many other reasons.

Kane has already shown incredibly loyalty to Sp**s by staying on for so long. Can’t imagine any of our big players staying at the club for so long without any trophies. It’s his own fault for signing a 6 year contract.

So is Kane staying we think? Don’t see else he would backtrack. I don’t know. Don’t see why City won’t pay his fee if they are willing to go 100M for Grealish so easily.

Kane Stays

Sp*rs are pretty meh these days, but they have two world class forwards so they'll have a better season than we will. Long-term though they need to wean themselves off that partnership, this summer would have been the perfect time to do that but hey-ho. Hope Kane picks up a nasty ankle injury

Congrats to Levy, potentially made the league open for this season blocking this move. I guess Chelsea will end up winning it, but at least is not Pep's atrocious football again.

i just have to say that this read is Glorious

 

[Worthy]

i just have to say that this read is Glorious

"Heard they stripped Kane of his Audi Cup winners medal, heartless"

 

[sausage]

Gooner itk:
I've been told that certain share owners of Tottenham have not been happy with Levy and want to see him replaced. Majority owner doesn't want that but there may be a shake-up. Kane will most likely stay at Tottenham for another season. (June 2nd)

 

[goughie1966]

Arsenal Fan TV Live

Build up to City's first goal......... "let him cross, let him cross, let him cross and defend it"........ crosses, goal......... "what the fuck is that defending, shocking defending, if Rob Holding plays for Arsenal again, I'm done"......................"it was Chambers defending"........ "I'm still done".

Edit - wrong thread but you get the point

 

[Locotoro]

Arsenal Fan TV Live

Build up to City's first goal......... "let him cross, let him cross, let him cross and defend it"........ crosses, goal......... "what the fuck is that defending, shocking defending, if Rob Holding plays for Arsenal again, I'm done"......................"it was Chambers defending"........ "I'm still done".

Edit - wrong thread but you get the point

Fun times, my barber who is an Arsenal fan tried to convince me yesterday that Kane is a tap in merchant and not really that good. When I turned the attention to Arsenal he said "we just signed that English CB, White for a snip" I reminded him what Man United got Varane for and he said "wtf are they wasting money on a kid from Brighton when we could have had Varane, the guys quality on FIFA"

Had to laugh...but not too hard because he was cutting my hair.

 

[sausage]

Not necessarily our opponents, but saw this looking on another forum.

Salty ex-sponsors or what?

 

[goughie1966]

Arsemania

Kane has a baby bump

Sissoko is already playing for Watford? ? takes us ages to get rid of players compared to everyone else

5 mil yeah. Sp**s have a more realistic valuation of their fringe players.

We’d still be trying to get £15m for him.

'your going down with the Arsenal' chant

9 points behind Sp**s in August

Can’t deal with us losing our first 3 games and Sp**s winning theirs.

Everytime I see Son I get mad about Pepe for some reason, he’s like twice the player.

This is going to be a ****ty season huh? Man I hate this. I actually don’t even feel like watching games this season. Also I recall saying Nuno was a good choice to replace Arteta last year November. Some thought it was a joke. The man knows what to do to organize a team and attack. If he could get wolves to occasionally play direct flowing football imagine what he could do with better players. Now he has Tottenham moving forward.

Terrible dive from Kane, commentators just ignored it

Guess Sp**s going to win all thier game 1-0 until Nuno going to get found out.

The England captain doesn't dive, just like Sterling didn't dive.

Sp**s fans going to jump quick and thinking they'll challenge for title are they? And including the media too lol.

What’s wrong with that?

Still too early they did the same with mourinho but i think this time they more realistic with expectations

While it might be another false dawn for Sp**s, we're not in the position to laugh at anyone at the moment.

I look forward to the day I can be delusionally optimistic again