Memphis Depay

[Yorkville Spur]

We're not getting Depay now if we ever were, sadly.

 

[DaSpurs]

I believe Depay may have single-handedly priced us out of the running for his signature.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

Disagree with Milner; He is a good pro & versatile; But this team doesnt need another squad player. We need a player to improve the XI. We struggled all season from left side, whether its left back or left wing. We tried Kane,Sigurdsson,Chadli, Townsend, Lamela, Eriksen,Lennon from LW & none worked.

We need a LW who is a upgrade on everyone in squad & becomes a automatic starter. If Depay is not that player, lets look for someone else but not Milner

Agree with all apart from Eriksen on the left, I thought he was fantastic there towards the end of the season.

 

[bceej]

I believe Depay may have single-handedly priced us out of the running for his signature.

There was something Bale-esque about that shot from outside the box. Who knows though eh? It is one of the areas that needs addressing, and it is abundantly clear we need instant impact quality as well as sell-on value. Would be a big fan of this move. Could have been a better shout to go for Depay over Chadli last year, although I imagine Depay has come on leaps and bounds where as Chadli has arguably stagnated, in form at least.

 

[DaSpurs]

Agree with all apart from Eriksen on the left, I thought he was fantastic there towards the end of the season.

He worked there because it was an emergency situation. We had no one to get him the ball from deep, so Sherwood put him in a free role on the wing to receive the ball and have him two big strikers to target with crosses. This worked well against the weaker sides due to sheer individual quality difference.

However, in defending he was not great, and especially against the better sides.

 

[arunspurs]

Agree with all apart from Eriksen on the left, I thought he was fantastic there towards the end of the season.

Agreed partially; Eriksen did work, but it was because of his class; He is better used behind striker IMO; Left wing doesnt maximise his ability

 

[DaSpurs]

There was something Bale-esque about that shot from outside the box. Who knows though eh? It is one of the areas that needs addressing, and it is abundantly clear we need instant impact quality as well as sell-on value. Would be a big fan of this move. Could have been a better shout to go for Depay over Chadli last year, although I imagine Depay has come on leaps and bounds where as Chadli has arguably stagnated, in form at least.

Oh I'd be delighted if we could pull if off, but I've no doubt he'll have aggressive suitors above us after his performances with PSV last season and now in this World Cup, and especially at his age. So with that rising price, I can't see us even getting involved with some of the other options of quality at the position around Europe.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

He worked there because it was an emergency situation. We had no one to get him the ball from deep, so Sherwood put him in a free role on the wing to receive the ball and have him two big strikers to target with crosses. This worked well against the weaker sides due to sheer individual quality difference.

However, in defending he was not great, and especially against the better sides.

Fair points.
I would like to think that the three behind the striker are not so predictable and can swap roles and interchange during games. Eriksen is capable of this, but just like when Modric played on the left, I look forward to him getting more of a chance in his best position.

 

[DaSpurs]

Fair points.
I would like to think that the three behind the striker are not so predictable and can swap roles and interchange during games. Eriksen is capable of this, but just like when Modric played on the left, I look forward to him getting more of a chance in his best position.

I agree. This is why I'd love for our first choice three to be Kono/Maxim, Eriksen, and Lamela. Very free-flowing, and any of them could at least move the ball into a dangerous position from any position on the pitch. I very much believe this a major contributing factor to why Poch jumped to Spurs after a very successful stint at Saints that saw him become very popular among everyone involved with that club. He'd have the resources to not only mold a team more specifically in the fashion he'd want, but we already have some of the best young talents in Europe in place in these attacking positions to provide him a foundation to build from.

 

[yiDONz]

That's debatable, considering Kono has performed well at the international level for three years now while Depay has just recently come into the fold and only just scored his first goal for Holland.

On his worldcup debut, after he assisted the equalizer. And he scored the second goal yesterday.

Depay is actually pretty strong, and for a winger he has a great shot from distance. This is his main difference with Kono I think.

 

[DaSpurs]

On his worldcup debut, after he assisted the equalizer. And he scored the second goal yesterday.

Depay is actually pretty strong, and for a winger he has a great shot from distance. This is his main difference with Kono I think.

Kono also has a very good shot from range, albeit not quite of the power as Depay provides. He does make up for it in shot placement nonetheless, which is what really matters. Therefore, there is no significant difference between the two as a result of such a a category.

Depay has indeed impressed in his two performances in this World Cup. But nonetheless, to suggest he's "more proven" than a player who's put up a higher goal ratio in his international performances over four years than Depay has even with his two goals in this WC and with a superior squad is certainly debatable, and mathematically more towards the side of incorrect.

 

[rawhide]

Kono also has a very good shot from range, albeit not quite of the power as Depay provides. He does make up for it in shot placement nonetheless, which is what really matters. Therefore, there is no significant difference between the two as a result of such a a category.

Doesn't matter how good the shot is.

If they use it at Spurs they'll be singled out by elements as being greedy (see Townsend) and if they don't, the same elements will complain they don't shoot enough (like Lennon).

 

[dirtyh]

Doesn't matter how good the shot is.

If they use it at Spurs they'll be singled out by elements as being greedy (see Townsend) and if they don't, the same elements will complain they don't shoot enough (like Lennon).

also helps if the shot is on target as opposed to row Z or over the stand heading down the high street. neymar is as greedy as they come but there's typically an end product. people get singled out as greedy when better options are ignored and chances go begging but if they hit the target consistently nobody would care.

bale you'll remember did it consistently after the first few long rangers went in and it was sometimes frustrating seeing him then hit them from anywhere and everywhere without any success but as he improved, so did the consistency and accuracy. unfortunately with Andros it's like he's just been spun around 10 times with his head on a sweeping brush in the back garden before he takes aim.

 

[$hoguN]

Doesn't matter how good the shot is.

If they use it at Spurs they'll be singled out by elements as being greedy (see Townsend) and if they don't, the same elements will complain they don't shoot enough (like Lennon).

This is unfair on Spurs fans, as you have picked the two real extremes. No-one is bothered when a player shoots when they do not have a better option, likewise no-one is bothered when a player elects to pass when they can see someone is in a better position. The problem with Townsend and Lennon is they are terrible decision makers, electing to shoot pointlessly in the case of Townsend and choosing to pass instead of rolling the ball into an open goal in the case of Lennon.

If we take Siggy as another example, I don't think he is lambasted for shooting all too often tbh.

 

[Chris12]

This is unfair on Spurs fans, as you have picked the two real extremes. No-one is bothered when a player shoots when they do not have a better option, likewise no-one is bothered when a player elects to pass when they can see someone is in a better position. The problem with Townsend and Lennon is they are terrible decision makers, electing to shoot pointlessly in the case of Townsend and choosing to pass instead of rolling the ball into an open goal in the case of Lennon.

If we take Siggy as another example, I don't think he is lambasted for shooting all too often tbh.

Personally I don't think Siggy takes enough shots with the technique and strike he has

 

[rawhide]

So, this Depay guy...

Yes I'm trying to apologise for derailing the thread slightly.

 

[Shea]

Doesn't matter how good the shot is.

If they use it at Spurs they'll be singled out by elements as being greedy (see Townsend) and if they don't, the same elements will complain they don't shoot enough (like Lennon).

I didn't notice anyone complaining when Bale was banging them in all season from way outside the box - I think this proves that if the shots are good people will not complain

 

[$hoguN]

Depay looks like a gamble. He could end up being extremely special but would we be willing to gamble £17 million on the chance that he may? I'm not sure I would be.

 

[PrettyColors]

Depay and Konoplyanka are both paralyzed by playing with their head down at times (as are Townsend and Lennon) which slows down the buildup. Adding this to Dembele and Paulinho, possibly two of the slowest-thinking CMs in the league (is it any wonder that as soon as Paul got benched, Brazil's midfield became less of the Chernobyl-esque dead zone of creativity and begun to show signs of flow?) is a step in the wrong direction IMO.

 

[DaSpurs]

Depay and Konoplyanka are both paralyzed by playing with their head down at times (as are Townsend and Lennon) which slows down the buildup. Adding this to Dembele and Paulinho, possibly two of the slowest-thinking CMs in the league (is it any wonder that as soon as Paul got benched, Brazil's midfield became less of the Chernobyl-esque dead zone of creativity and begun to show signs of flow?) is a step in the wrong direction IMO.

What are you basing this opinion of Kono and Depay from? They're guilty of it at times admittedly, but I'd say no more frequently than other wingers who use their rare pace as an integral component of their game. Kono was even once a deep-lying playmaker, he can certainly get his head up to create when need be, much like he did in the game in Dnipro against us upon moving to the center.

And ftr, I very much agree with the rest of your post, so I absolutely agree with your emphasis on more creativity from the wings. In fact, it's this reason I've come to like Alexandru Maxim at Stuttgart. Ambidextrous and pacey attacking mid who in his first full season in the Bundesliga matched Franck Ribery for third most assists in that league with 12, and also shipped in nine goals. All this playing at one of the weakest teams in the Bundesliga, and currently valued at six million euros. I'd love to see us get to him before someone else inevitably does.