The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 29 January 2011

[lifeof...]

As its been pretty obvious to every man women dog and budgie, that we need a marque striker, Not signing a striker, does mean someone has fucked up, IMO, as it is a failure.

 

[adiepf]

Incredibly naive to think that a club like Spurs would have one target and one target only for a position. We aren't Chelsea or United, we can't unsettle players like they do by bidding. All of your info has anti Harry vibes.

not at all, i am not anti harry & of course you are right regards the club having multiple targets...i have consinstantly posted such info & been ridiculed..

my point is H has failed to nail down one target, just one that we could go all out for..

i am not anti redknapp, he has worked miracles with us

 

[PT]

Not picking on you mate :grin: but...

Whilst they may have paid double their initial bid, that bid was exstremly low, insulting i would say. they have it appears paid for, IMO about right.

Saurez led the line for Uruguay extremely well, I cannot except that "Spurs" felt he wasn't the one we needed, or worth getting, Sorry i just don't believe that

I think that Liverpool wentr in with a pre-agreed bid value which got tanked by the January window madness of Bent going to Villa for £18-24m.
Immediately Ajax think - hang on, this is our Captain and a desirable asset regardless of how many are at the bidding table.

Time drags on and Liverpool are made to pay the going rate for an asset in this window - over the odds.

Only my opinion but I honestly dont think we actively pursued him once Liverpool made it know that they wanted Sueraz regardless.

We went to plan B, or Plan A, depending on when we made the decision according to the timeline.

Now we wait.

 

[mill]

Reminds me of the Arshavin saga

 

[nicdic]

not at all, i am not anti harry & of course you are right regards the club having multiple targets...i have consinstantly posted such info & been ridiculed..

my point is H has failed to nail down one target, just one that we could go all out for..

i am not anti redknapp, he has worked miracles with us

And if we'd had one target and been rebuffed what happens then?

 

[adiepf]

But he courted Forlan in the summer. So he hasnt dilly dallied there. He is a long term target. I have said for a long time that Harry wants Carroll. he hasnt changed that. By offering him Suarez an option c or d at best at the risk of not having enough to buy Carroll (when Harry beleives he can get the deal done) wasnt gonna solve anything was it?

Like I reiterate from last night, I can only defend what I know, and some things that have been posted are totally unfair

mate you know i appreciate everything you say & i am not knocking your info & never would..:up:

 

[Diewhingywenger]

Incredibly naive to think that a club like Spurs would have one target and one target only for a position. We aren't Chelsea or United, we can't unsettle players like they do by bidding. All of your info has anti Harry vibes.

Nothing seems to add up this window. We were willing to smash our transfer record at different points for a striker that we clearly oh so desperately need, with Marlon Harewood having as many goals as our four strikers between them this season.

Then we hear Redknapp wants to secure a loan with a view to buy. Nothing involving much money at all.

To top it off we still have all the incompetent strikers eating up wages and doing fuck all in return for that wage. They should be fined half their weekly salary until each of them score a Premier League goal.

 

[cabinfever]

Adie... We have bid for Carroll 3 times including yesterday, I have that as Fact!

sorry buddy

When push came to shove, harry didnt want Suarez. Fact. Where is the dilly dallying?
Harry moved on 5-6 days ago, I think as manager of the football club he has an opinion that deserves to be listened to right?

In fact there is plenty of reason to believe that both of you are right.

I take it you both have different sources? Therefore there could be a different slant on the story, depending on which of the Harry/Daniel camps the information is coming from.

 

[adiepf]

And if we'd had one target and been rebuffed what happens then?

nic listen, take your anti adiepf glasses off will ya ffs...

i am not saying anything of the sort, however if H consistantly says we are gonna find it hard to get better players then how many can be out there???

not many & therefor you have to at least nail it down to a preffered target right...

if we want carroll lets get him, lets not waste the clubs money courting, benzema, rossi< forlan & suarez....

 

[adiepf]

In fact there is plenty of reason to believe that both of you are right.

I take it you both have different sources? Therefore there could be a different slant on the story, depending on which of the Harry/Daniel camps the information is coming from.

great post & ryans info is ALWAYS brilliant

 

[Chimbo!]

Great, that looks promising for a striker then doesn't it?

From Suarez to Fabiano to Forlan to Benzema... to nobody!

 

[lifeof...]

I think that Liverpool wentr in with a pre-agreed bid value which got tanked by the January window madness of Bent going to Villa for £18-24m.
Immediately Ajax think - hang on, this is our Captain and a desirable asset regardless of how many are at the bidding table.

Time drags on and Liverpool are made to pay the going rate for an asset in this window - over the odds.

Only my opinion but I honestly dont think we actively pursued him once Liverpool made it know that they wanted Sueraz regardless.

We went to plan B, or Plan A, depending on when we made the decision according to the timeline.

Now we wait.

So on point 1, we basically agree.

on point 2 fair enough, i was basing my decision on us in for Saurez based on the itk on it, as obviously i don't actually know. i do feel he would be ideal for us, based on what i saw in the W.C

 

[Shep]

is he suggesting would sell him, bale, if the price is right?

Course then we spunk the whole fucking lot on Andy Carroll :-(

 

[Aaron140]

I will cry, if we sign no striker this month.

 

[nicdic]

nic listen, take your anti adiepf glasses off will ya ffs...

i am not saying anything of the sort, however if H consistantly says we are gonna find it hard to get better players then how many can be out there???

not many & therefor you have to at least nail it down to a preffered target right...

if we want carroll lets get him, lets not waste the clubs money courting, benzema, rossi< forlan & suarez....

You need to pick a line and stick to it. You use what ever is in the media to back you up, even it's contradictions. Harry is not going to draw attention to waht we're doing in the media. We have to chase more than one target because we are desperate for a striker, and we know we're not a United, Chelsea, City, Barca or Real who can buy whoever they want when they want. We follow a number of players, enquire, get rebuffed, move on. If we then think actually an improved bid is worth going for, we might go back.

There's no point just throwing all of our money at a player, and end up spending too much

 

[ryantegan]

mate you know i appreciate everything you say & i am not knocking your info & never would..:up:

Im aware of that mate, Its just the anti Harry brigade is based around false info as far as Im aware.

Harry wants the signing to take us on, and as far as I know we have worked hard to get that done, but people forget that these players are the properties of other team who quite rightly have protected there base.

This market is incredibly false. HR wants AC but at £30m :rofl: its like trying to justify Suarez at £24m

Harry has said these past 5 days, that we are working on lower risk loan to buy options. Who do you think is responsible for that? Is harry held accountable for our finances then?

Levy is held in high regard because of the hard bargains he thrives for. and quite rightly so. But why praise him for the Berba deal or the VDV deal or whatever, and when it goes wrong critisise the manager?

Double Standards there

 

[Mr Pink]

There is a difference between a preferred list of targets, working you're way from the top...and having a list of players with not really knowing who you're preffered choices are.

Perhaps there has been a degree of uncertainity over which players Harry wants to hang his hat on.

My guess is he's not that comfortable with big signings....only a hunch though.

 

[Dr Know]

At first I blamed Harry but the truth is we're a club and I'm sure transfers are discussed as a board. Maybe Harry and the scouts identify the targets and Levy and other board members make it happen. It could be as one of the ITKs mentioned Harry couldn't make up his mind which of those would work best (hence the dilly dallying comment)
All in all I think they fcuked up as a club but the worrying thing is it's not the first time!! :bang:

 

[adiepf]

I will cry, if we sign no striker this month.

mate the club will have let us down tbh...

we are wealthier than weve ever been, we have more to offer than we ever have & we are right in touch......it will be a sad day for us if come tuesday we have not addressed our weakest area...

weve gone from title challengers to finding it hard to finish top four in harrys words in the space of 4 weeks

 

[Si The Yid 83]

Thought Harry was supposed to be known for his transfer window expertise? Since that interview, he's obviously revolting by not doing much in the transfer windows, therefore proving he is not, one wheeler dealer.

Can't we register Les Ferdinand?