Juan Quintero

fatpiranha · Jul 1, 2018

I don't know anything about the reliability of the source but we are apparently being linked with the talented Colombian playmaker here https://www.lanueva.com/nota/2018-6...ien-mostro-interes-en-juan-francisco-quintero

This (if true :cautious:

) is music to my ears. I've been a big fan of his since seeing him play in the U20 World Cup in 2013 (where he scored 3 goals including a 50 yard free kick that won the Goal of the Tournament) and I regard him as big a talent as James Rodriguez.

Very much a playmaker in the Eriksen mode he would probably be a quality back up for the Dane.

nattydredd · Jul 1, 2018

Talkshite claiming that Real or also sniffing about.

I must admit though, he has impressed me this world cup.

Quote from Talkshite :-

Porto signed Quintero in 2013, where he made 42 appearances and scored six goals, but he has spent the last three seasons out on loan at Rennes, Independiente Medellin and now Buenos Aires outfit River, where he signed a one-year loan deal in January.

The deal did not include a recall clause, but gave River the option to make the deal permanent with a sum of €3.25 million for 80 percent of his rights, after paying an initial sum of €500,000.

Though Real and Spurs are willing to pay big bucks to sign him, especially after his World Cup campaign, it is River who are in control.

Should they complete the deal to make Quintero’s stay in Argentina a permanent one, clubs will have to pay a minimum of €22 million to release him.

yanno · Jul 1, 2018

Yup. I posted about him in General Transfers at the link below.

River can buy Quintero for 5 million Euros and sell him to the highest bidder.

Which apparently includes Real Madrid and us.

I suspect we are considering him, dependent on how crazy the price gets.

But if Quintero ends up at Real Madrid, in the crazy world of transfer dominoes they are more likely to sell Kovacic.

Hopefully to us.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-spurs-transfers.113824/page-260#post-5939186

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 1, 2018

Pretty sure his performances for his club do not match how he's been playing in the World Cup. Didn't make it at Porto, having been loaned out 3 times, including to Rennes, where he only played 12 times in the league (not due to injury it seems). So he's never done well in a top European league. He even had to return to the Colombian league on loan at one point.

No thanks.

TEESSIDE1 · Jul 1, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
Pretty sure his performances for his club do not match how he's been playing in the World Cup. Didn't make it at Porto, having been loaned out 3 times, including to Rennes, where he only played 12 times in the league (not due to injury it seems). So he's never done well in a top European league. He even had to return to the Colombian league on loan at one point.

No thanks.

and an odd target considering we’re in balls deep for Grealish. Clubs need to be extra cautious when assessing talent at the WC. The superstars tend to look shite and dross look like world beaters at times. The players I’ve been impressed with are those whom are already known and have a bright future - Lozano, Brandt, Mbappe etc.

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 1, 2018

TEESSIDE1 said:
and an odd target considering we’re in balls deep for Grealish. Clubs need to be extra cautious when assessing talent at the WC. The superstars tend to look shite and dross look like world beaters at times. The players I’ve been impressed with are those whom are already known and have a bright future - Lozano, Brandt, Mbappe etc.

I'm pretty sure this is just bullshit from the Colombian media (and maybe his agent), I don't think there's anything in it at all.

yanno · Jul 1, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
I'm pretty sure this is just bullshit from the Colombian media (and maybe his agent), I don't think there's anything in it at all.

I suspect we are having a look given his contractual situation.

Quintero was a wonderkid, a mini-Messi (sound familiar?), who was snapped up by Pescara then Porto, who are prime recruiters of South Americans with talent and potential. He proceeded to get niggling injuries and was loaned out to several European and South American clubs.

As per the article linked below, Chile coach Pekerman saw Cardona of Boca as the understudy for James Rodriguez, but dropped him just before the World Cup and called up Quintero as the creative back-up instead. Quintero then forced his way into the staring line up alongside James.

In the games I've seen, Quintero has excellent vision, quick feet and the ability to deliver a killer pass in the final third. He's a very good dribbler too. These are skills that top clubs prize - hence the alleged Real Madrid link.

So, I have no doubt his agent is creating much of the press coverage, aided by River Plate who stand to make a financial killing if a bidding war starts.

But if Quintero's price is not astronomical, and if Davinson has given Poch good feedback from the Colombian training camp, then we may well be keeping an eye on the situation.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...eat-england-james-rodriguez-last-16-world-cup

fatpiranha · Jul 1, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
Pretty sure his performances for his club do not match how he's been playing in the World Cup. Didn't make it at Porto, having been loaned out 3 times, including to Rennes, where he only played 12 times in the league (not due to injury it seems). So he's never done well in a top European league. He even had to return to the Colombian league on loan at one point.

No thanks.

He's had a lot of injury issues and has just got over them and back to form.

robertgoulet · Jul 1, 2018

About 2 months ago the Chicago Fire were rumored to be after him...and the debate was whether he was good enough for MLS level play. Amazing what a couple good WC matches can do for a player’s value. I think he’s below Premier League level by some distance.

yanno · Jul 1, 2018

robertgoulet said:
About 2 months ago the Chicago Fire were rumored to be after him...and the debate was whether he was good enough for MLS level play. Amazing what a couple good WC matches can do for a player’s value. I think he’s below Premier League level by some distance.

I'm sure that's where he was a few months ago.

But then (see my post above) he was picked ahead of Cardona of Boca as the creative back-up to James Rodriguez and, after the Colombia training camp, Quintero is now being picked ahead of Luis Muriel of Sevilla and Izquierdo of Brighton, who has proven he does have PL quality.

He's far rom a surefire hit. In fact, his career is of immense early promise followed by under-performance. But he's forced his way into this Colombia team ahead of very good players, and I suspect he'll get another chance at the top European level.

am_yisrael_chai · Jul 1, 2018

yanno said:
I'm sure that's where he was a few months ago.

But then (see my post above) he was picked ahead of Cardona of Boca as the creative back-up to James Rodriguez and, after the Colombia training camp, Quintero is now being picked ahead of Luis Muriel of Sevilla and Izquierdo of Brighton, who has proven he does have PL quality.

He's far rom a surefire hit. In fact, his career is of immense early promise followed by under-performance. But he's forced his way into this Colombia team ahead of very good players, and I suspect he'll get another chance at the top European level.

Here is a reminder of what happened the last time we bought a player with bang average club form on the back of starring for their country in a major tournament

yanno · Jul 1, 2018

am_yisrael_chai said:
Here is a reminder of what happened the last time we bought a player with bang average club form on the back of starring for their country in a major tournament

But Quintero can control a ball with one touch, beat a man, and play a killer pass.

So where is the comparison with Sissoko as a player?

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 1, 2018

yanno said:
But Quintero can control a ball with one touch, beat a man, and play a killer pass.

So where is the comparison with Sissoko as a player?

Sissoko can also do those things.

A couple of times a season.

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 1, 2018

yanno said:
I'm sure that's where he was a few months ago.

But then (see my post above) he was picked ahead of Cardona of Boca as the creative back-up to James Rodriguez and, after the Colombia training camp, Quintero is now being picked ahead of Luis Muriel of Sevilla and Izquierdo of Brighton, who has proven he does have PL quality.

He's far rom a surefire hit. In fact, his career is of immense early promise followed by under-performance. But he's forced his way into this Colombia team ahead of very good players, and I suspect he'll get another chance at the top European level.

Just because he's doing well for his country, it doesn't mean we should forget the failure beforehand, and it doesn't mean from now on he's going to be awesome for any club he plays for.

yanno · Jul 1, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
Just because he's doing well for his country, it doesn't mean we should forget the failure beforehand, and it doesn't mean from now on he's going to be awesome for any club he plays for.

Of course

Plus before we even consider getting involved, I'm sure Poch will be talking with Davinson about Quintero's character and performance level in training.

Spursh · Jul 1, 2018

Ability-wise, he absolutely looks of the required level. But his career was drifing out to sea before this World Cup, which suggests that his mentality does not match his skill level.

wirE · Jul 1, 2018

THFCSPURS19 said:
I'm pretty sure this is just bullshit from the Colombian media (and maybe his agent), I don't think there's anything in it at all.

Had a decent WC so far, his agent jacking up the price. classic move

Lighty64 · Jul 1, 2018

yanno said:
I'm sure that's where he was a few months ago.

But then (see my post above) he was picked ahead of Cardona of Boca as the creative back-up to James Rodriguez and, after the Colombia training camp, Quintero is now being picked ahead of Luis Muriel of Sevilla and Izquierdo of Brighton, who has proven he does have PL quality.

He's far rom a surefire hit. In fact, his career is of immense early promise followed by under-performance. But he's forced his way into this Colombia team ahead of very good players, and I suspect he'll get another chance at the top European level.

the thing is, when your playing for your country your playing with the heart on your shirt, wanting to be a national hero. when you go to a totally different country, with no guarantee of football it could be a total different story

yanno · Jul 1, 2018

Lighty64 said:
the thing is, when your playing for your country your playing with the heart on your shirt, wanting to be a national hero. when you go to a totally different country, with no guarantee of football it could be a total different story

Sure. But his Colombian teammate Davinson made it work out pretty well...

As I've already said, any club that signs Quintero will be taking a huge gamble, and I think anything over £15m would be too much.
But £15 million buys you a bang average English midfielder.

Quintero was marked out as an exceptional talent as a youngster, and he's finally showing that he can use his ability at top level.

As we know with our own Marcus Edwards, being compared with Messi at a young age is not always a good thing.

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"It's difficult to judge a player at this age and know if he'll have a great career, but sometimes it's just blindingly obvious when you get to see a future star. Juan Quintero has got something extra and you can already see that, despite his young age."

Australian U-20 coach, Paul Okon praising Quintero following a 1–1 draw against Colombia in the U-20 FIFA World Cup

Colombia’s Juan Quintero was exceptional. He could go on to become a player on a par with Lionel Messi. The composure he displayed was unbelievable for such a young player. Without a doubt he will go on to become one of the stars of the game."

Former footballer Kubilay Türkyilmaz's view on Quintero from the 2013 U-20 FIFA World Cup.[1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Fernando_Quintero

Lighty64 · Jul 1, 2018

as I say when your playing for your country you sometimes forget about everything, how often do you get to play on the big stage.

we got lucky that Sanchez has clicked, not many from abroad settle as quickly

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