`Arry Out, Guus In For Tottenham...

[dvdhopeful]

The last manager to take us to this position in the league was Lord Jol - the last person who created a squad with such depth in it was.....I don't recall tbh.

We are a work in process, a work in process which Harry needs to be given time to see through. We need to stop looking into pastures greener and back Harry - do you honestly believe anyone could come in and do better with the squad we have?

He's done a 'triffic job imo

 

[guiltyparty]

Are you really though. It has been a topsy-turvy season, and everybody has dropped points, but we should be 10 points better off than where we are now. Foor the majority of the season our squad has been stronger than Arsenal's and Liverpool's.

Supporting Spurs at the moment is a complete lucky dip - like going on a blind date with a hottie but when you get home and peel her clothes off you discover she has saggy boobs.

That's exactly like every other year supporting Spurs, though, so it's no different really. We always flatter to deceive, we always have runs that get the juices pumping then bottle it at the last minute. I really am starting to think that it's something that has become ingrained in the club over the last 30 years. Seriously, what team have you been supporting?

Blame Harry for this? Certainly not. He pisses me off just as much as Jol pissed me off at times, but Jol was a nice guy so you forgave him; I don't really like Harry 's manner, so he's harder to forgive. But that's all really. We've played better football at times this season than we ever did under Jol. In fact, some of the best football I've seen in my relatively short (24 years) time supporting Spurs.

Yes we should be better off points-wise, but that's exactly what Arsenal and Liverpool fans will say too. 'On paper' gets you nothing.

So yeah, I am relatively happy. My biggest complaint actually this season, bizarre as it is considering our undoing has been results against the 'lesser' teams, is we haven't had the excitement against the top four. I remember going to Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea under Jol and really thinking we could get something, and it was normally a dodgy decision or a little bit of class that outdid us, and we were gutted. They're the games that make you feel like you're mixing it with the elite. This season we've been spanked, outplayed and just given it up against all but Liverpool in the first game of the season, and that makes me sad.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Dunno where i'd find the stat, so if anyone does, i'd like to know.....

Where does Redknapp stand (resultswise) in the table of Spurs managers?

I'd bet it's quite high.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I'm never quite sure about the hype about Hiddink. He has won the Dutch league, Dutch cup, and one European cup in the late 80's, which is all extremely impressive. Since then he's not done anything particularly worthwhile in club football. He failed to win anything during his time in Spain with three different clubs, two of which were Real Madrid and Valencia, and he also failed quite miserably in Turkey.

Credit to him, he managed an FA Cup and third place with Chelsea.

If Redknapp is to go, and to be fair I'd rather he didn't because him staying means he's doing well and ultimately that's what I want, then Hiddink is definitely not the man I want. He has a club level managerial record which, outside of Holland, is poor considering the clubs he has managed and his teams play fairly unexciting football. He's probably a better manager than Redknapp, and he's definitely a decent international manager, but at club level he's proven that he can win the league with PSV, not exactly a miracle. Yes, he won a European Cup as well, but that is no more than a stand out acheivement in his copy book.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Dunno where i'd find the stat, so if anyone does, i'd like to know.....

Where does Redknapp stand (resultswise) in the table of Spurs managers?

I'd bet it's quite high.

http://http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-managers-index.htm

3rd according to this. Not good enough clearly.

 

[guiltyparty]

If we're quoting TopSpurs, I thought Duggan's latest update said it all really:

14th February 2010 – TOPSPURS update
After the final whistle, an old sage with the gallows humour which has kept Spurs fans going through many a year suggested… “Our (Spurs) worst performance of the season. Since last Wednesday”

And yet it was another badly taken penalty (and two crossbar efforts) away from being a win, away from home against top division opposition in the 5th round of the cup, on the back of a season which has seen Spurs in the top four positions in 23 of the 26 weeks and never drop below 6th… a position Spurs failed to break in the generation between 1991-2006.
And with that garish new kit for next season reviving memories of the 70s, Spurs went six years without an FA Cup win from 73-79, and even then needed a replay after a 1-1 home draw against non league Altrincham.

Sure Spurs are in a bit of a dip… Manager with some tricky questions in front of HMRC and the goals drying up as a result of inspired goalkeeping and the low key return of Modric (and inexplicably Bentley) not making up for the injury to Lennon and exclusion of Kranjar… but just as all good runs come to an end, so do dips in form and Spurs are still three games away from Wembley (two of which are against crappy Bolton and Fulham) and are on course for 63 points on seasons form, all of which add up to a pretty good season… don’t it?
Fans of all clubs in the modern era seem to lack a little perspective, often dissatisfied with just winning and unable to deal with defeat without the need to attribute blame and bay for change after almost every game. Perhaps it’s a good job their views are usually inconsequential to those who run the organizations who own the football clubs and while repeated under performance requires change, but change because you’re bored with the glass ceiling and/or not being able to win every week is not enjoyment of sport but an emotional deficit.
That said, Spurs fans should never be frightened change for real progress when the opportunity or need dictates… esp as reality is catching up with some of the Sky4 who binged on the never-never finances which sustained the illusion of good times in the noughties. Spurs time may be sooner than many think, but grumblings over Redknapp Snr seem to me to be ill judged and ill deserved based on his record at Spurs which reads only 16 league defeats in 56 games which is the best since the mid80s.
Spurs fans, myself included at the start did not give Jol much rope when results came outside convincing performances but hopefully that should be a lesson learnt rather than another trip up the hill with Sisyphus after Redknapp is bounced out for the illusion of something better. Given the easy time Levy has got since Redknapp has taken over, even someone of his ability must know a good thing when it comes along but if you are a Spurs supporter lining up behind the latest manager out campaign, be careful what you wish for as things that have gone up can quickly go down and then we really would have something to worry about… or is that the point


http://www.topspurs.com/jmdview.htm

 

[worcestersauce]

Any new manager would need to be several degrees better than an incumbant manager otherwise the improvement is outweighed by the damage caused by the change; only if the incumbant is clearly failing and the club is in dissaray already is it worthwhile especially during the season and it is clear that the club is not in dissaray far from it as we are still building.
It seems to me that Hiddink is a great coach so if you give him the players he will get the best from them but is he a great manager who can bring in players and build a side? if not who is it that will play that role and would he stay around long anyway? He does seem to be a bit of a nomad doesn't he.
I don't believe a word of any of it anyway but wanted to emphasize that it's not just a case of ticking boxes and the most ticks wins, there are other considerations.

 

[stemark44]

Jesus wept there are some retards on this forum.

Get rid of Harry ?
You fuckin lunatics!

 

[fridgemagnet]

Well, considering a number of the players we have today were here in the Jol era tells me we've spent the last few years reassembling the squad that the big man had already built "We are two or three top players short of challenging for the league" to badly paraphrase MJ back in '06.

4 years on we've added Modric and Gomes but lost Carrick and Berbatov in terms of top players, we have a better quality squad but can anyone truly say we have improved elsewise other than getting rid of that twunt DC :shrug:

While MJ was no tactical genius he had a fraction of the PL experience of his peers. I would suggest the knee jerkers look at that before condemning Harry, MJ had a plan that appeared to be working and he was shafted by Commolli, Harry by fluke or design appears to have a similar plan.

Here's a poser, how many managers have we had since Ledley King started getting into the first team?

Whilst i would love a Hddink or a Mourinho, it'd quite nice to have a few stable seasons on the staffing front and also be nice if the players started taking it upon themselves to win matches, the manager will take all the flak it's in the job description but at the moment it's unjust IMO other than the Wolves game he hasn't called it too badly this season only complaint would be we got sussed out, if the opposition double up on Crouch that plan doesn't work or double up on Lennon and close down Thudd and that doesn't work, and haven't found a solution yet.

Also a quick one on the fans, the ones at Bolton outstanding :clap: would be nice if we could get a bit more vocal/behind the players at home rather than bitch and moan, why would any of our current players recommend any of their international colleagues come and play for us when all they'll get is abuse :duh:

 

[worcestersauce]

Jesus wept there are some retards on this forum.

Get rid of Harry ?
You fuckin lunatics!

Don't beat about the bush stemark say what you mean!:grin:

 

[spurs mental]

Dunno where i'd find the stat, so if anyone does, i'd like to know.....

Where does Redknapp stand (resultswise) in the table of Spurs managers?

I'd bet it's quite high.

From Wiki

Harry's win percentage is 50% exactly. That leaves him 5th in the all time managers table based on win percentage. In 76 games in all competitions he's won 37, drawn 19 and lost 20.

 

[mattyspurs]

With the exception of just a few of you, TSH, starting price, ELY, Blockbuster and a few others, who seem to be talking sense, I cannot believe why on earth you would want a new manager. Seriously, It really does annoy me to think that some of you really are Spurs fans!!

Firstly, what has Harry done wrong in your eyes? Saved us from relegation last year, because yes guys and gals, we were in a relegation dog fight, and I was scared shitless. We are currently 1 point, yes 1 point from a champions league spot. We got to another final last year, ok we lost, but matched ManU throughout the game and probably should have won. And we are currently still in the FA cup, with 3 of the big 4 teams out of the compettion already, either Man City or Chelsea going out in the quarters, it is a great chance to win it.

So, we have screwed up in games that we should have won, and should now be 10 point ahead of the chasing pack, I hear you say? Well boo fucking hoo!! So have all of the other teams gunning for the top 4 spot, it happens, football is an unpredictable game, if it wasn't I would be winning my ACCAS week in week out!!!

So you don't like the long ball up to Crouch, well, wasn't the biggest bug bear of the Chelsea fans about Jose M, his boring style of play!! I think it was.

As for Hiddink, what did he acheive with that fantastic Chelsea squad?

So for me it is a no brainer, I am happy with Harry, give him time, we are building on something here, lets not got 2 years back and start again, please!!

Sorry for the rant, and feel free to shoot me down.

 

[Legacy]

Redknapp came to Spurs and steadied a sinking ship. In his first transfer window, he brought in some very key players for us in Palacios and Defoe (and debatably Keane). In his second window, he added some good depth into the squad with the signings of Bassong, Kranjcar and Crouch. His third window saw him bring in an experienced Champion's League winner, although it is still tll early to judge the success of that signing.

We've seen Gomes, Bale, Dawson, Huddlestone and, possibly to a lesser extent, Bentley reinvigorate their Spurs career since Redknapp took over.

Most importantly, he's got us talking about winning the FA Cup and qualifying for the Champion's League. And he's done that with having Woodgate in defence as well as being without Lennon and Modric for a large portion of the season.

He's made mistakes, just like every single manager does. But he's identified the weaknesses of the squad and has made every attempt to rectify it, even if it didn't come off. We know of the interest in Sandro, van Nistelrooy, a top young centre back and allegedly Ashley Young. Players we all would've liked to see at the club.

He's also got us playing good football again. This long ball team label has only recently got attached to us and that is only because we are now coming across teams that view a draw to be a good result against us so sit back and defend all game.

That's how good he's made us. A team like Aston Villa, with similar aspirations to our own, have considered two draws to be two points gained, whereas we see it as two points lost.

Give the man some time. As a manager, he's in new ground now. I think this is the first team he's been in control of a team that now regularly has to break through a team that defend for their lives for a full 90 minutes.

It's frustrating for us as fans right now. But I have every confidence that Redknapp will sign the right players to break through those defences.

We're gonna be Harry Redknapp's blue and white army for a while to come yet.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Give Harry till the end of next season at least. After 2 full seasons in charge we will be able to judge better. For now you cannot argue with his results and our league position. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with some of his decisions on many levels but at the end of the day we fighting for 4th not to stay in the league now. So let's keep with this stability and see if it gets us anywhere. Maybe it just might.

 

[Blockbuster]

From Wiki

Harry's win percentage is 50% exactly. That leaves him 5th in the all time managers table based on win percentage. In 76 games in all competitions he's won 37, drawn 19 and lost 20.

That's quite unfair given the time he came to spurs we was Rubbish! but he'll turn it around and if we win a big cup we will be our most successful manager since El Tel

 

[Yiddo1982]

http://http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-managers-index.htm

3rd according to this. Not good enough clearly.

People are probably thinking I'm being a idiotic dumbwit...but I'm not trying to be! We all want to see Spurs succeed.

That table is largely irrelevant because Gross, Francis, Graham, etc, would have better overall stats with the squad we have currently. Vega, Iversen, Sinton et al, cannot compete with Lennon, Palacios, Defoe...

I'm not trying to say "sack him now", and I didn't say "let's get Hiddink, I just referenced an article from F365.

I think he has done an good job, as I mentioned before, but we could/should be in a better position, as we have hit a few brick walls this season. I just think there is a glass ceiling where Redknapp is concerned, and it will lead to opportunites being missed.

Redknapp's successes have been overplayed, laregely due to Ramos's failures.

I often think there is a club mentality issue at Spurs. It's been present for years and years. And it's probably why we all get grief from our workmates, frends, etc. We have underachieved for years, and although that's not Redknapp's fault, he isn't the man to transform us. We choke too much...It's like we have a fear of doing well. In the League Cup we should have beaten Utd, but we lacked the belief. In the long-term, Redknapp isn't the man to see us challenge consistently.

 

[dontcallme]

God knows I'm sick of talking about who can take us to the "next level." Harry took Bournemouth to their highest ever position, managed to their most successful era in the Premiership and turned Portsmouth into a Premier League club and won them the FA Cup. Whose to say how far he can take us.

He doing a great job so far. The results are good, many of our players like Lennon, Bale, BAE, Gomes are showing huge improvements and he's bringing in strong characters to help us get rid of our soft touch image. It beggars belief that we would even think about replacing him after the whole Jol/Ramos debacle.

 

[spurs mental]

That's quite unfair given the time he came to spurs we was Rubbish! but he'll turn it around and if we win a big cup we will be our most successful manager since El Tel

Ye I agree too. We were awful when he came here, but he inherited a decent squad. Ramos, however, was fairly clueless and it showed in our play. If Harry's given the time, like he should be, then he can be successful with Spurs. I just hope Levy sees it the same way most fans do. Give him time, and the success will come with the continuity. He's already turned us from utter shite to being a contender in the league within a year.

 

[talkshowhost86]

People are probably thinking I'm being a idiotic dumbwit...but I'm not trying to be! We all want to see Spurs succeed.

That table is largely irrelevant because Gross, Francis, Graham, etc, would have better overall stats with the squad we have currently. Vega, Iversen, Sinton et al, cannot compete with Lennon, Palacios, Defoe...

I'm not trying to say "sack him now", and I didn't say "let's get Hiddink, I just referenced an article from F365.

I think he has done an good job, as I mentioned before, but we could/should be in a better position, as we have hit a few brick walls this season. I just think there is a glass ceiling where Redknapp is concerned, and it will lead to opportunites being missed.

Redknapp's successes have been overplayed, laregely due to Ramos's failures.

I often think there is a club mentality issue at Spurs. It's been present for years and years. And it's probably why we all get grief from our workmates, frends, etc. We have underachieved for years, and although that's not Redknapp's fault, he isn't the man to transform us. We choke too much...It's like we have a fear of doing well. In the League Cup we should have beaten Utd, but we lacked the belief. In the long-term, Redknapp isn't the man to see us challenge consistently.

???????

Surely Harry deserves the credit for bringing in Palacios and Defoe?

You can't 'overplay' Harry's success. His points percentage is better than anyone's since 1987. It's better than Jol's and it's significantly better than Ramos'.

I genuinely don't understand what more you want from him in such a short time.

 

[Hoowl]

People are probably thinking I'm being a idiotic dumbwit...but I'm not trying to be! We all want to see Spurs succeed.

That table is largely irrelevant because Gross, Francis, Graham, etc, would have better overall stats with the squad we have currently. Vega, Iversen, Sinton et al, cannot compete with Lennon, Palacios, Defoe...

It's about levels relative to the competition. Like then, we still don't have as good as squad as any of the top four. Our squad is also arguably not as good as Cities. Obviously we haven't been great over recent weeks but Harry has done a very good job so far and definately deserves the oppertunity to see what he can build over the next few years.