Cardiff Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Roynie]

If you look at the shape of the ball there it is oval. That being the case it is just after the contact with Loris' hand and, therefore, moving away from it. It still looks to me as if his hand is just on the line and a split second afterward the ball would have moved away and not be touching his hand. It is just too close to call for any referee, or linesman, to say it was definitely outside the box. Therefore, it was a correct decision. In my humble opinion!

 

[Nine while nine]

If you look at the shape of the ball there it is oval.

Oval ball. In Wales. You can bloody well handle it anywhere on the pitch. No foul. In my opinion.

Anyway, Clattenberg's got previous for not understanding what a white line is. We'll just take that as payback for Mendes.

 

[JayB]

If you look at the shape of the ball there it is oval. That being the case it is just after the contact with Loris' hand and, therefore, moving away from it. It still looks to me as if his hand is just on the line and a split second afterward the ball would have moved away and not be touching his hand. It is just too close to call for any referee, or linesman, to say it was definitely outside the box. Therefore, it was a correct decision. In my humble opinion!

Here is a frame-by-frame look at the incident (didn't want to embed the images because they are so large). In the first image the ball is very clearly on the line. From there it is impossible to tell due to the perspective from which the images are taken whether or not his hand is still on the ball after it is back outside of the box. I disagree that it looking like an oval is definitive because the images have been blown up so much that they are quite blurry, which could cause the distortion that you note. If, with the benefit of a frame-by-frame look, we cannot say definitively whether or not the ball is being handled outside of the box then you'd have to say that the linesman and referee made the correct decision.

 

[Stevie_ni2003]

Whether his hand did or didn't touch the ball outside the box shouldn't matter. We got the decision so who gives a shit. Plenty have went against us in the past!!!!

 

[Reece]

Look how quickly Lamela reacts and moves after he heads it to Holtby.

One thing that has struck me about Lamela is his maturity for a 21 year old. He obviously has skill and pace but he doesnt feel like he has to use it just for the sake of it, instead he choses to make a good pass and waits for the right moment.

I like him and he better be fucking starting v the pricks.

He was definitely intending to play a 1-2. He left the defender for dead with that quick movement after his header. We really are looking good. Praise the AVB.

 

[Reece]

I will admit I think Lloris is a bit of a lucky boy, but I am interested to know this; Would it be taken from the first point of contact (as in the case of a foul) or the last. If its the former I think Lloris was good to stay on the pitch, if it's the latter then I would say he did probably touch the ball while it was outside of the box. Lucky call for us, but we absolutely dominated the shit out of them.

 

[Misfit]

The point is at real time and even slowed down a little during multiple replays it was difficult to be conclusive. I'd be saying the same thing had it happened to the Cardiff keeper. Yes, it probably was a foul and a sending off looking at blown up stills of the moment in time but if the ref isn't absolutely sure he can't make the call.

 

[Misfit]

I will admit I think Lloris is a bit of a lucky boy, but I am interested to know this; Would it be taken from the first point of contact (as in the case of a foul) or the last. If its the former I think Lloris was good to stay on the pitch, if it's the latter then I would say he did probably touch the ball while it was outside of the box. Lucky call for us, but we absolutely dominated the shit out of them.

Taken from the last point of contact I would imagine. Just as a keeper coming for a ball on the edge of the area can't catch the ball inside the area but carry it out of the area.

 

[jambreck]

If you look at the shape of the ball there it is oval......

I see where you're going with this....

Players are allowed to handle a rugby ball anywhere on the pitch.

Good call. No foul.

 

[jambreck]

Oval ball. In Wales. You can bloody well handle it anywhere on the pitch. No foul. In my opinion.

Anyway, Clattenberg's got previous for not understanding what a white line is. We'll just take that as payback for Mendes.

Awww, shit!

You beat me to it!

 

[GetSpurredOn]

It's only an offence if the ref gives it. In this instance he didn't, so non event for me.

 

[Bennys LOL]

Some of you on here are an absolute JOKE

Remind yourselves that

1, we have virtually a whole new first team that needs to get used to playing with each other, personally i think we have got of to an amazing start all things considered, we would have lost or drawn games like Norwich and Cardiff in the past with a team that was used to each other.

2, Soldado, I'm sure we all pretty fecked off that he hasnt scored 25 goals already .. seriously! anyone who has watched his movement and has even glanced at his record for clubs and country knows he is a top class striker who is getting used to the new players who he relies on for service and the pace of the premier league is renowned as the hardest to adapt to. Tons of players need time to adjust before you see them bang in 25 a season.

3, We are joint top of the league losing ONE game and conceding ONE goal.

Please, for the love of god, get over yourselves and your doom and gloom, its pathetic.

 

[woodyspur]

O MY. JUST WIN BABY!

 

[Ironskullll]

I thought this as well, but then I've just seen this picture. Love Hugo, but definitely out

EDIT: But I can't believe that in real time anyone could be 100% sure that it's out. So don't think the referees had a 'shocker' here as he has to be 100% to make the call

This picture does certainly not prove that it was handball. All it proves is that in this view the hand is behind the ball. A key question are, "is there distance between the hand and the ball?"; another one might be "are the ball and the hand travelling in the same direction but not in contact?" From the other pictures and the angles they have shown, I'm pretty sure that by the (split second) time that picture was taken, the contact between hand and ball had already taken place. The hand, still being attached to its owner's arm is quickly stopping its movement, whilst the ball having bounced off the hand whilst it was above the line, is moving away from the point of impact. That is, of course with the benefit of the other views, and I would agree that it's effing close.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think he is running on to the pass mate but then realises that Lamela is in a better position so leaves it.

He's already started his run though before the ball is played, but Holtby elects to thread it through to Lamela and Soldado realises he's better positioned. Point being his run takes a defender with him that affords more space centrally for us.

 

[Ironskullll]

I will admit I think Lloris is a bit of a lucky boy, but I am interested to know this; Would it be taken from the first point of contact (as in the case of a foul) or the last. If its the former I think Lloris was good to stay on the pitch, if it's the latter then I would say he did probably touch the ball while it was outside of the box. Lucky call for us, but we absolutely dominated the shit out of them.

Now that is actually a fucking brilliant question. Because if there was contact in the box but it continued over the line and into the non-box (for want of a better expression), then that would suggest to me that the first part of the action was legit and was what denied the chance. Thus no red card dilemma. That being the case, the question becomes one of whether any handball outside of the area would have been worthy of a yellow card. The punishment for a handball is a free kick (or penalty, obviously), but for it to earn a yellow card there has to be unsporting behaviour behind it. One for the anoraks.

 

[ohtottenham!]

I wonder why Verts looks so concerned

I heard from a source it was actually Holtby's belated Tottenham initiation ritual and Verts was welcoming him as a Spur...hence the glazed look in Vert's eyes. Holts took it like a trooper, didn't lay back and think of England, but instead screamed for Der Fatherland and most of all Tottenham Hotspur Football Club! Next week it's Eriksen's turn, he better pray Kaboul's not in AVB's line up!

 

[only1waddle]

I would like the wide forwards to switch sometimes, some of our best play has been to hit the byline, you won't get wrapped on the knuckles by the football snobs AVB..
I would like a left footed player.. at left back
I would like Dawson out of the first 11

Were 2nd and all the rest is pretty good

 

[thinktank]

I wonder why Verts looks so concerned

Naughton doing some immense damage to verts with his dimensions and verts experiencing very deep tranquillity.

 

[sebcole]

I'm surprised people aren't making more of it, but that bit of work from Lamela for the goal is just top class. He places a perfect header to Holtby under pressure, then makes a great run which invited the return from Holtby, then first time outside of the boot right into the danger zone. We wanted a match winner to replace Bale, we got one! 2 assists in 2 games, what more could we ask?

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