Ratings vs Cardiff City

[Bus-Conductor]

2 observations from the MOTD2 highlights...

Yes, shite ball from Naughton, but Verthongen there was arguably on par in terms of incompetence.

Watch Lamela when Holtby plays him in, head up all the way, looking for a man in the box. Not just a quick little glance, but head up looking exactly where he needs to deliver the ball. Brilliant.

Shearer. Owen. Kilbane. We deserve better than this shit.

What about that finish ?

A CM busy **** who back heels goals at speed. BC Nirvana.

 

[stevenqoz]

Lloris 6
Walker 7
Jan 6.5
Daws 7
Naughton 4
Dembele 7.5
Paulinho 7
Sigg 6
Eriksen 6.5
Townsend 7.5
Soldado 6.5

Holtby 7
Lamela 7

 

[Tottenham_God]

Let's hope Vlad is another rolls royce to add to our fine collection of priceless machines.

 

[ShelfSide18]

What about that finish ?

A CM busy **** who back heels goals at speed. BC Nirvana.

I used to finish like that in the playground every day at school, with a tennis ball.

 

[Ndombers]

holtby made the difference.

 

[RuskyM]

This team needs to be crafted around three people: Vertonghen, Eriksen & Sandro. Lamela, Holtby, Paulinho also highly important, but those three are the crux.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Is 24 (25 in November) young in footballing terms?

In my opinion it is still young for a full back, there are exceptions of course. Though I don't see why his age should make it acceptable for people to say some of the things they have. I just find it pathetic that he gets abuse when he gives 100% and has played his part in another Spurs win even though he's out of position. I don't rate him that highly but he's our backup to Walker and for now that's fine, take it out on the manager who plays him at LB if you feel that strongly but abusing your own players is very, very sad indeed. It also kind of goes against what it means to be called a 'Supporter'.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I used to finish like that in the playground every day at school, with a tennis ball.

Can you play right back tuesday ?

 

[OmarsComing]

I used to finish like that in the playground every day at school, with a tennis ball.

I used to do it with a rolled up jumper, it was 1918 ya know

 

[Tottenham_God]

In my opinion it is still young for a full back, there are exceptions of course. Though I don't see why his age should make it acceptable for people to say some of the things they have. I just find it pathetic that he gets abuse when he gives 100% and has played his part in another Spurs win even though he's out of position. I don't rate him that highly but he's our backup to Walker and for now that's fine, take it out on the manager who plays him at LB if you feel that strongly but abusing your own players is very, very sad indeed. It also kind of goes against what it means to be called a 'Supporter'.

Fair enough, I personally have never said anything negative about Naughton, So I agree with your general point.

I however don't agree with the 'young' thing he should be and probably is in his prime.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

In my opinion it is still young for a full back, there are exceptions of course. Though I don't see why his age should make it acceptable for people to say some of the things they have. I just find it pathetic that he gets abuse when he gives 100% and has played his part in another Spurs win even though he's out of position. I don't rate him that highly but he's our backup to Walker and for now that's fine, take it out on the manager who plays him at LB if you feel that strongly but abusing your own players is very, very sad indeed. It also kind of goes against what it means to be called a 'Supporter'.

I'd give 1000% and play anywhere they wanted me... Does that mean I merit a place?

 

[EastLondonYid]

Once Soldado starts banging them in,and he will, we will be real title contenders....AVB has his fingerprints all over our side now and its looking fucking great.

Stand outs in a very good team performance for me...Dembele,Paulinho and Walker....

 

[ShelfSide18]

Can you play right back tuesday ?

Please.

I'm a dreamy no10. It's up to you unrefined busy ****s to win the ball for me.

 

[Flashspur]

Dembele my MOM followed by Paulinho. Hugo a very close third. Feck he is an awesome keeper. Holtby and Lamela had fantastic cameos. The rest of the team were good. You cant dominate a game like this and be poor at the same time.

 

[Mr Pink]

Have re-watched this a couple of times now, and still loving every minute of it, and our goal was a thing of absolute beauty. Yes we had a few hairy moments at the back but that does not equate to us being luck in victory here. It was thoroughly deserved and a winning margin of three goals would no way of flattered us.
This is exactly the sort of game we have been losing for years. Feels different to be a Spurs fan now, just not use to this at all. All great teams are difficult to beat, and that we are now. We dominate push up the pitch and retain the football.
When we truly click we are going to be a massive threat IMO. We looked well coached demonstrated by our impressive collective cohesion and the spirit amongst the group is there for all to see. I completely trust AVB's judgement in this respect, any bad apples threatening the collective harmony within the group should be dealt with how he sees fit

A very impressive win yesterday, and if we continue to improve and develop as a team who knows how high will finish this season. I already think we are capable of hitting the 80 point mark this season barring a nightmare injury scenario.


Lloris 6 - Impressive keeping, its what we want in terms of being proactive, don't want that to change at all. Lost concentration to concede the corner though.

Walker 7 A good showing today. Loved that run in the first half, lung busting for sure - been a while since we've used that expression! All round though, impressive.

Dawson 5.5 A flew clumsy challenges, mistimed etc...

Vertonghen 5 As poor as I've seen him in a Spurs shirt. He doesn't have many bad days at the office, but you'd certainly excuse it given how he's started the season. Don't know what he was doing just standing there when he could see the trouble unfold from Naughton's hospital pass. Another incident early in the first half when he's beaten very easily and they get down our left hand side of the box.

Naughton 5 No need to go over the mistakes, we all know them. Not a LB obviously, but some of the mistakes weren't even indicative of that. Just poor decision making, and execution. He's our back up RB, and that's all he should be. Don't want to see him at LB again, but not exactly sure that will be the case. My only bug bear with AVB at the moment.

Dembele 7.5 MOM A very disciplined performance. Ok he could release the ball quicker at times but he was a massive reason as to why we bossed this game today. Getting closer to the form we know he's capable of. Still more to come from this guthougha real beast when he's up for it like today. Just edges MOM for me.

Paulinho 7 Keeps impressing me. Keeps it simple a lot of the time and gets through a lot of work. Love his desire to get into the box, and the finish for the goal was a thing of beauty. Think he'll be integral to our success this season, cracking signing.

Townsend 6.5 Lively, and I think he elected to pass more as well which was pleasing - his end product in these situations needs more fine tuning though.

Eriksen 7 Heavily involved, passed it well, a couple of decent efforts at goal. Not shy when it comes to working off the ball as well.

Siggy 6.5 Another unfortunate strike that hits the woodwork. Some nice moments, some weak ones. Does get bullied off the ball quite easily IMO, but it was a decent enough all round performance from him yesterday.

Soldado 7 Very, very unlucky not to grab a couple of goals never mind just one. The goals will come. His movement is so good, and his understanding to make clever runs and take up good positions is very impressive. Involved for the goal as well. His run takes a defender away from the centre which creates the room for us.

Subs - Holtby and Lamela very impressive. The formed buzzed about demonstrating how incisive his passing can be. Both involved for the goal and the latter's movement also impressed and got his head up to great affect for the assist.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Please.

I'm a dreamy no10. It's up to you unrefined busy ****s to win the ball for me.

I can do 167 keepy uppy's with a frozen pea. That make you my busy ****.

 

[Legend10]

Naughton was nowhere near as bad as people are saying, nowhere near, it's embarrassing!

There wouldn't even have been an incident to report on in the first half had Verts not allowed Campbell to run onto the ball from 5 yards behind him, and that apart from one other time right at the end of the first half was the only time Naughton gave the ball away in 45 minutes.

As for the 2nd half I can recall 1 mistake, where were all the others that everybody is harping on about? Add to that he put a beauty of a cross into Soldado who volleyed straight at Marshall and was wrongly flagged offside.

Give the guy a break FFS! He's not a regular and he's playing on a side which is going to naturally inhibit him, but all of these so called big mistakes are a joke! Verts had a worse day than Naughton yesterday.

As for all of these so called shots from Townsend where he shouldn't have shot, where were they as well? Each time he took the shot on as far as I could see he was within his rights and was certainly better positioned than Walks and Paulinho when they had far more optimistic efforts.

Onto Dawson, some saying he might have been red carded, well as far as I remember he never committed another foul after being carded? And he went through a couple of players on the halfway line, so what? I've got no problem with a CB crunching somebody in that area of the pitch.

So far this season defensively people continue to say how bad Walker, Dawson, Rose and Naughton are, it must be a miracle that we've conceded 1 goal in 8 games. Or maybe people think we won't make mistakes defensively, or concede chances or half chances? If so they need to get real because we will and we will concede some bad goals, but Jesus give the boys a break especially when we are doing so well.

 

[OmarsComing]

Please.

I'm a dreamy no10. It's up to you unrefined busy ****s to win the ball for me.

I can do 167 keepy uppy's with a frozen pea. That make you my busy ****.

Bus Conductor, shelfside18 and George Michael love triangle - more at 11.

 

[JerryGarcia]

I'd give 1000% and play anywhere they wanted me... Does that mean I merit a place?

If you were a profesional footballer and you'd played LB last season, a season where we'd got our highest Premier League points total then yes you'd probably merit a place and I'd also say it was pathetic for people to abuse you on the back of a few average performances in a team that's conceded just one goal in eight games.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? Are you saying its fine for Spurs fans to write to our players on twitter and tell then they don't deserve to play for the club etc? Because that's what I saw yesterday and it's not right in my opinion.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Naughton was nowhere near as bad as people are saying, nowhere near, it's embarrassing!

There wouldn't even have been an incident to report on in the first half had Verts not allowed Campbell to run onto the ball from 5 yards behind him, and that apart from one other time right at the end of the first half was the only time Naughton gave the ball away in 45 minutes.

As for the 2nd half I can recall 1 mistake, where were all the others that everybody is harping on about? Add to that he put a beauty of a cross into Soldado who volleyed straight at Marshall and was wrongly flagged offside.

Give the guy a break FFS! He's not a regular and he's playing on a side which is going to naturally inhibit him, but all of these so called big mistakes are a joke! Verts had a worse day than Naughton yesterday.

As for all of these so called shots from Townsend where he shouldn't have shot, where were they as well? Each time he took the shot on as far as I could see he was within his rights and was certainly better positioned than Walks and Paulinho when they had far more optimistic efforts.

Onto Dawson, some saying he might have been red carded, well as far as I remember he never committed another foul after being carded? And he went through a couple of players on the halfway line, so what? I've got no problem with a CB crunching somebody in that area of the pitch.

So far this season defensively people continue to say how bad Walker, Dawson, Rose and Naughton are, it must be a miracle that we've conceded 1 goal in 8 games. Or maybe people think we won't make mistakes defensively, or concede chances or half chances? If so they need to get real because we will and we will concede some bad goals, but Jesus give the boys a break especially when we are doing so well.

I'd probably revise my defenders ratings, especially after now noticing Verthongen's part in the Lloris handball incident which is actually a far worse piece of defensive work than simply underhitting a pass, and it's difficult to rate defenders sometimes when they can have a reasonable game but then make a couple of hashes like Naughton did. Do you rate the 89 mins or the 1 min?

I think collectively, our defence is as good as I've seen from us, but some of our individual defending can be poor at times which so far hasn't really cost us because collectively we do so well, but it may begin to cost us if not addressed. I can forgive an error like Naughton's back pass, it's just a fuck up, what does concern me though is players like Walker and Dawson continually making the same sort of errors, over and over. We really don't want to undermine how well we defend as a team, from front to back, with individual errors that repeat over and over.

I can never fault Dawson and Walker's application, attitude and the good they bring to the group spirit (which should never be underestimated), but I do have ongoing concerns. With Walker, he has time on his side and a fucking good approach to the game so I am happy to see him develop at RB for us for now, but Daws is unlikely to get any better now, and hope to see Kaboul (or Chiriches maybe) cement their place when fit/ready. I've never said Dawson is terrible, but he's not an ideal fit for our system, and I think we can demand almost the very best now as the club has gradually improved. As for Rose, been very impressed so far this season, give him a run and let him prove himself.

I think we're in a position now to wonder how brilliant we'd be defensively if we put the very best players into what clearly is a tremendously coached collective approach to defending.