Ratings vs West Ham

[dannythomas]

Personally I'd have started Son, I do think he's invariably better when started than brought on, but it's not like this erraticness is unique event.

To be fair it's the same with Alli and Lamela too (and today even Eriksen was at it), all are capable of game changing events, but you get a lot of erraticness and carelessness too.

I think to ignore the atrociousness is to ignore why we were in trouble on the first place - partly anyway. IMO.

And yes, his directness, running at the defence and trying to get beyond them is ultimately what earned two vital goals, but lets again be brutally honest, those two contributions weren't crowned with sublime skill, but a cross that was palmed by their keeper into Kane's path (the same kind of fortune that got them their first) and a stupid reckless challenge that gave a way a penalty where their was really quite minimal danger (Son wasn't exactly going to score or sure to create anything form where he was).

Son is the only player we have who runs at defenders at pace and does it in or close to the box where it matters most. Not Lamela, not Alli , not Kane. He has to play and he is most effective on the left. Yes, a lot of his runs come to nothing but we have nobody else ( unless Nkoudou come through ) who can do what Son does. I would love to see stats showing how successful his dribbles are on the left compared to the tight.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Son is the only player we have who runs at defenders at pace and does it in or close to the box where it matters most. Not Lamela, not Alli , not Kane. He has to play and he is most effective on the left. Yes, a lot of his runs come to nothing but we have nobody else ( unless Nkoudou come through ) who can do what Son does. I would love to see stats showing how successful his dribbles are on the left compared to the tight.

Fully agree, losing the ball in the final third is ok. You've gotta take chances to make things happen.
People here rate Dembele, Walker, and in the past Zokora. They share common traits; athletic, footballing cowardice, careless (even though only making side/back pass), blind, cannot save his life with a decent cross (walker).
But people like em, because they are athletic and giv 100%.

 

[DJS]

I was in the gym, they had the game on one of the screens. Just about blew my load on the little Asian woman on the bike next to me.

 

[DJS]

Fully agree, losing the ball in the final third is ok. You've gotta take chances to make things happen.
People here rate Dembele, Walker, and in the past Zokora. They share common traits; athletic, footballing cowardice, careless (even though only making side/back pass), blind, cannot save his life with a decent cross (walker).
But people like em, because they are athletic and giv 100%.

Walker to be fair to him has been VERY good and intelligent with his defensive player this season and last.

Only thing letting him down as you say is his crossing, which is a shame and you'd hope he's working on it loads on training.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Just a comment on Lloris. Almost all ratings are "nothing to do". This ignores the fact that yet again a goal arises from his suicidal distribution, this time not directly but his pass to Verts led to the series of set pieces that resulted in the first goal. I'm sure he is under orders to play this way but I really wish those orders would change or he gets vastly better at it. Secondly as the penalty was about to be taken the commentator said "Lanzini has put his last 5 penalties to the keeper's right" so of course Lloris dives left which makes you wonder how our coaching staff prepare him.

 

[guiltyparty]

Based on our total after 12 matches, we are 3 points ahead of last season.

Based on results against the same teams (with promoted teams standing in for relegated teams), we are 1 point behind last season.

This point last year compared to this season

 

[DaleMurphy]

I was in the gym, they had the game on one of the screens. Just about blew my load on the little Asian woman on the bike next to me.

did that really have anything to do w the game tho? Be honest

 

[DaleMurphy]

Just a comment on Lloris. Almost all ratings are "nothing to do". This ignores the fact that yet again a goal arises from his suicidal distribution, this time not directly but his pass to Verts led to the series of set pieces that resulted in the first goal. I'm sure he is under orders to play this way but I really wish those orders would change or he gets vastly better at it. Secondly as the penalty was about to be taken the commentator said "Lanzini has put his last 5 penalties to the keeper's right" so of course Lloris dives left which makes you wonder how our coaching staff prepare him.

so u think every keeper is prepped w which way each penalty taker has recently gone? that's fucking stupid bro

 

[DaleMurphy]

It's a penalty they aren't supposed to save them it's a godsend when they do

 

[millsey]

I may be alone thinking this, but I don't Think Poch will start Winks vs Chelsea. If we keep to 4231 then the only position he could play is no10

 

[DaleMurphy]

It's Hugo's fault he didn't save a penalty I mean come on

 

[Cravenspurs]

Personally I'd have started Son, I do think he's invariably better when started than brought on, but it's not like this erraticness is unique event.

To be fair it's the same with Alli and Lamela too (and today even Eriksen was at it), all are capable of game changing events, but you get a lot of erraticness and carelessness too.

I think to ignore the atrociousness is to ignore why we were in trouble on the first place - partly anyway. IMO.

And yes, his directness, running at the defence and trying to get beyond them is ultimately what earned two vital goals, but lets again be brutally honest, those two contributions weren't crowned with sublime skill, but a cross that was palmed by their keeper into Kane's path (the same kind of fortune that got them their first) and a stupid reckless challenge that gave a way a penalty where their was really quite minimal danger (Son wasn't exactly going to score or sure to create anything form where he was).

I agree, we scored three, but none of them were from a truly ours. But putting pressure on the defense is putting pressure. Son came on and changed the game despite his sloppy play at first.

Completely agree with your prior post Bus. It is so frustrating to watch the way we play because I know the players we have are talented, but they just don't seem to get it. Why the transistion of play isn't being addressed is baffling to me because we are given space, but seem to prefer to give it right back. Hopefully Winks gets his chance next to Wanyama/Dier. But IQ is #1 on the window wish list.

Also where has the press gone?

 

[Chinaspur]

so u think every keeper is prepped w which way each penalty taker has recently gone? that's fucking stupid bro

Not wanting to enter the argument but this has brought up sad memories of Wembley 2009...

 

[Shadydan]

I don't know if we can blame Hugo here but I feel that homework on where penalty takers normally place their shot is something that the GK coaches need to pick up on, I can't remember him last saving a pen.

 

[widmerpool]

I may be alone thinking this, but I don't Think Poch will start Winks vs Chelsea. If we keep to 4131 then the only position he could play is no10

If we play 4-1-3-1 then we can try Lloris together with Vorm. Good shout.

 

[Marty]

I don't know if we can blame Hugo here but I feel that homework on where penalty takers normally place their shot is something that the GK coaches need to pick up on, I can't remember him last saving a pen.

Stats show that there have been far more missed/saved penalties over the last five years than previously, and it's been put largely down to doing homework on frequent penalty takers. But I agree I haven't seen any evidence that Hugo does his homework on that front. Not saying he should save every one, in any penalty case the taker should score, but he does seem to go the wrong way quite a lot.

As others have said, Winks MOTM. He totally dominated the second half.

 

[dudu]

Winks was a joy to watch. I really hope this win will galvanize us and get out of the rut we have been in the last 6 weeks.

 

[radkovic]

I remember reading an interview with Cech something like two years ago where he was telling how he does lots of his own stats on penalty takers, having a video collection etc. He mentioned some GKs don't do this at all and leave it purely on instinct and mentioned Hugo being one of them.

 

[walworthyid]

We are missing lamela! Awful first half. Better for most of the second but really lacking any incision because we have no width.

Winks was outstanding in a game where the rest of his team mates weren't at it. Son and Rose changed the game because Son gave Rose some help.

We looked shaky defensively and need toby back.

Play like that in either game next week and we will get destroyed!

 

[guiltyparty]

I remember reading an interview with Cech something like two years ago where he was telling how he does lots of his own stats on penalty takers, having a video collection etc. He mentioned some GKs don't do this at all and leave it purely on instinct and mentioned Hugo being one of them.

Love to see their records compared...