Simple Harry Vote - Yes or No?

[Wiener]

You are bang on Monta. It's not a simple yes or no.

Who knows if Harry, with no distracions such as England next season, couldn't have us playing the same way and winning as we were up to february, for the whole of next season. It's quite possible that he could.

He just needs to be backed or sacked.

I actually think Rednapp needs a regular kick up the arse to keep him focused. The last thing he should be given is a long-term contract. Now that the England job is no longer an option THFC is probably the best option he has. I am of course assuming that Hodgson doesn't get sacked after the Euros and that Chelsea aren't interested. Stranger things have happened. Levy needs to make 'Arry sweat blood. Redknapp is an excellent manager. He just needs to be kept on a tight leash.

'Arry for one more season to steady the ship and finish top 4/CL, after which a 5 year plan with Lambert + Director of football. 'Arry doesn't do loyalty (to be fair no-one does) and he shouldn't be shown any.

 

[greaves]

Great posts Shelfside and Starting Price!

 

[StartingPrice]

I think this thread is proof enough that there is no 'simple' yes or no to the Harry debate.

I would like to see a top manager with this group of players who are the best I've seen at Spurs and think are certainly comparable to City and United (Utd especially), and with the excellent way we are run I think the potential for our club is huge. With a new stadium in the pipeline, London based which is a huge draw, a fine history to look back on that has always kept our profile around Europe there even in dark times then I don't think it is particularly some rampant, blinding sense of entitlement to believe we should be aiming to take this club to the stars.

Now that's where I don't think Harry fits in I'm afraid, although it would be madness to suggest that he hasn't been generally a force for good at Spurs, I just think the higher we've crept the flaws in his approach have been magnified, the fine lines that top coaches and managers habitually find themselves on the better side of H doesn't. This isn't particularly a criticism, it's saying I think Redknapp has possibly reached the ceiling of his career that his approach was likely to take him, and leading an EPL team to the top 4 twice, the CL QFs, 2 Fa Cup Semis and a CC Final is testament to that. That's not bad, it's very good - most people on this forum will never make it the same level, comparatively, in their careers and many of those will consider that they have had a good career - which they probably have. We're talking about 'best' and 'next best' here, not 'great' and 'shit'.

And that's the dilemma, stick or twist. Stick with Harry and you know what you're going to get, twist and we could bomb, but we could also announce ourselves at the top table and stay there - although in the EPL you get the impression that a billionaire is required to help with that harsh reality that is money.

Unfortunately, some folk just can't get past the (if I may say) rather simplistic interpretation that anything other than saying Redknapp has got us to fourth twice, and given us some great moments and is therefore the man for the foreseeable future is some kind of treacherous dog, for whom death would be a blessing.

 

[StartingPrice]

I actually think Rednapp needs a regular kick up the arse to keep him focused. The last thing he should be given is a long-term contract. Now that the England job is no longer an option THFC is probably the best option he has. I am of course assuming that Hodgson doesn't get sacked after the Euros and that Chelsea aren't interested. Stranger things have happened. Levy needs to make 'Arry sweat blood. Redknapp is an excellent manager. He just needs to be kept on a tight leash.

'Arry for one more season to steady the ship and finish top 4/CL, after which a 5 year plan with Lambert + Director of football. 'Arry doesn't do loyalty (to be fair no-one does) and he shouldn't be shown any.

Unfortunately, Lambert is now looking set to leave Norwich and join Villa.

 

[greaves]

Unfortunately, some folk just can't get past the (if I may say) rather simplistic interpretation that anything other than saying Redknapp has got us to fourth twice, and given us some great moments and is therefore the man for the foreseeable future is some kind of treacherous dog, for whom death would be a blessing.

Ah. The whole Death issue. Maybe that should be a new thread.

 

[Misfit]

I made some cracking posts on H in the transfer forum thread tbf.











Love me!

 

[Misfit]

He will give it a good go, but, like I said, is he going to get the patience from the fans to develop them into a team that can get back competing for a CL place again (which, in itself will take all of next season and probably the next), and then get the further time and resources to make them capable of launching title challenges. Afaiac, ATM, their youth set-up and infrastructure is miles behind ours; they have no new stadium underway and no realistic plans for a new stadium; and they have, ATM, clearly the weakest squad out of all of the top six sides (not forgetting, of course, that Newcastle and Everton finsihed above them, and they only finished above Fulham on goal difference). They will improve their squad, and Rodgers will improve the players they already have, in the time he is given, but unless they can adress these issues, I can't see them making a title challenge in the next five years, while their youth set-up and infrastructure are overhauled (short of getting a RomanMansour sugar-daddy), bu which stage we will have our new stadium built, anyway, and I don't think the Scouse fans will have patience with that type of timescale

Like I said, I rate Rodgers, but I think we would be a much better fit for him than Liverpool, and his success depends as much upon the club making the infrastructural changes, etc., and in being given time and patience to do his job, as it does in what difference he will be able to make this season and next.

Oh no, I agree with you. I won't be surprised to see them narrow the yawning 17 pt chasm to 4th though. He'll not get given the time. To really start to turn around everything and lay the foundations he'll need 2 season, otherwise the changes will only be cosmetic.

I hope he isn't given the time.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Does this mean next season Jay Spearing will be mirroring Xavi's passing stats in European League's, or will he still be resoundingly shit?

 

[EastLondonYid]

I am intrigued as to what the fuss is about regarding AVB?? someone, anyone who has suggested him as our manager please convince me why it would be a good choice if Harry left.

When i see AVB, I see a young inexperienced manager who had ONE wonderful season in a really poor league, and won a European competition that no other really decent club took seriously, well done, but even Fulham,Boro and Rangers reached the Final of that competition, so really so what? i see a manager who took over a big club and couldn't handle the 'big' personalities, i saw a manager who bored me silly whenever he held a press conference with his. 'projects and objectives..bla bla bla' zzzzzzz

Maybe i am wrong but i wouldn't be too excited about him taking over, infact i would be pissed off tbh.

I voted for Harry to stay, btw.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I am intrigued as to what the fuss is about regarding AVB?? someone, anyone who has suggested him as our manager please convince me why it would be a good choice if Harry left.

When i see AVB, I see a young inexperienced manager who had ONE wonderful season in a really poor league, and won a European competition that no other really decent club took seriously, well done, but even Fulham,Boro and Rangers reached the Final of that competition, so really so what? i see a manager who took over a big club and couldn't handle the 'big' personalities, i saw a manager who bored me silly whenever he held a press conference with his. 'projects and objectives..bla bla bla' zzzzzzz

Maybe i am wrong but i wouldn't be too excited about him taking over, infact i would be pissed off tbh.

I voted for Harry to stay, btw.

TBH I liked what I heard from him and his vision of the game, but theory and practice don't often tread the same paths. With Chelsea I think he tried to change an entrenched system far too quickly and naively and lost his job because I think Abramovich didn't expect the transition to affect results that badly. I think he'll get a decent job next and I'll be interested to see how well he does, it's one thing having a vision of the game, the hardest part is realising that on the field.

I also think his age and the charge of him being inexperienced is slightly misleading, he never played the game professionally so has a long time learning, studying and interpreting the game from a coaches perspective. Yes he's still a young manager, but not completely inexperienced like those who go from playing career to management straight away.

 

[EastLondonYid]

TBH I liked what I heard from him and his vision of the game, but theory and practice don't often tread the same paths. With Chelsea I think he tried to change an entrenched system far too quickly and naively and lost his job because I think Abramovich didn't expect the transition to affect results that badly. I think he'll get a decent job next and I'll be interested to see how well he does, it's one thing having a vision of the game, the hardest part is realising that on the field.

I also think his age and the charge of him being inexperienced is slightly misleading, he never played the game professionally so has a long time learning, studying and interpreting the game from a coaches perspective. Yes he's still a young manager, but not completely inexperienced like those who go from playing career to management straight away.

I see what your saying, but i think the fact he has come from a similar route to the 'chosen one' leads people to think he will be as good as Murinho, i suspect this has helped him get to where he has in such a relatively short time,some want to believe he will be as good as Jose, he has only been around 5 mins and hasn't done too much to be worth the really top jobs imo...i think the jury is out still as far as AVB is concerned.

 

[Delboy10]

Wins 4 games in a row at the start of the new season and you will all love him again.

 

[StartingPrice]

Wins 4 games in a row at the start of the new season and you will all love him again.

Of course...I, for one, am fickle as fook

 

[pook]

yes.

when he arrived we only had two points from eight games.

 

[DuDe]

Wins last 4 games in a row at the start end of the new season and you will all love him again.

Corrrected that for you.

 

[Kingstheman]

Wins 4 games in a row at the start of the new season and you will all love him again.

What if they are against shit teams?

What if we never loved him before?

What if he only wins 3.4 of those games?

 

[keepthehomefiresburning]

Really tough one on one hand you think what harry has achieved 2 top four finishes and some amazing nights in the champions league. You then think how he has pissed away countless transfer windows took his eye of the ball and ended up screwing away a massive lead which we had over the scum.

If we could get a manage to take us to the next level get him in but nothing is ever gauranteed look at Villa there was fans moaning about O'Neil and as soon as he left become a relegation team.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

Yes

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

No

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

Oh lordy, I don't know.