Match Threads Spurs Vs Leeds

[Dov67]

I was at the game yesterday, and I dont know if this has been picked up in previous posts but watch Richarlison‘s reaction with Royal just after the miss - he knows the boos are coming and he knows its going to hurt his teammate, and wants to protect him.

If booing your own team makes them play better, then OK, but is there one person any where in the world who thinks Royal will be a better play if thousands get on his back. It will only make him fearful and nervous and make him play worse. Surely everybody must know this??

If you are a Spurs fan who paid the high ticket prices and taken the trouble to go to the game why the F**k would you want your team to play worse?? It may scratch an emotional itch in the moment to scream abuse at one of your own players, but you are helping the opposition. Utterly, totally moronic!!

The crowd did something similar against Liverpool. I missed the game as i was ill, but what came across load and clear on TV after Dier’s mistake for the second, when he headed the ball back to one of our defenders there was the sarcastic cheers. He’s a human being who bleeds lily white - how do you think that makes him feel? More nervous or less?

Instead of coming away from the game exhilarated following a 7 goal thriller and 3 points, I came away angry and pissed off with our own fan base for the first time in my life. I wasnt alone either, as many people in my block (504) were fuming at the HT booing.

I hate to say it, but this is the kind of toxic atmosphere my gooner friends (I have many!!) used to describe during the end of the Wenger era. Perhaps not as bad but heading that way.

I have been a season ticket holder for all but 2/3 years out of the last 43 years. I have been to over 1000 games, and lived through the bullshit of the 90s and early 2000s. I have never boo’d the team or any single player.

I bow to nobody in my belief that Royal is not good enough and is a drag on the team. But since I’m not one of the top 4/5 managers in the world, and Conte is and i have never seen Spence train and Conte has, I have enough humility to appreciate that maybe i am not in posssesion of all of the facts. What i do know is that he gives his all in every game, and never hides even when things aren’t going well for him and the crowd is on his back which must be utterly soul destroying for any flesh and blood human being. While wearing our shirt he is entitled to our full support, even and especially when having a bad day.

Rant over!!

PS - the only time in all my years where a player did deserve the fans’ anger was Ghaly when throwing the shirt to the floor after being subbed (you do not ever do that), and Ndomble (one of the biggest wastes of talent i’ve ever seen), strolling off the pitch when we were losing to Morecombe

 

[Jim De hat]

Felt really bad for Emerson today, says alot considering we won 4-3 after being behind 3 times and that's my feelings at full time.

Shocking behaviour from some of "fans"

I'm not sure if anyone else watching noticed but we were defending a corner and the camera panned to behind the goal on Emerson and you could hear clear as day a fan shouting something along the lines of "you're fucking shit, you're fucking useless, you're fucking shit" etc. Wasn't even a split second and the camera didn't even pan away it went on for a good 10 seconds.

Really seemed to be directed at Royal but I'm hoping it was directed at the Leeds player going to take the corner.

Yep, I heard that watching an Irish broadcast, very obviously directed at Royal and I would say at least 20 seconds, of exactly what you quoted and in a very aggressive manner, deplorable.

 

[spurmin]

Yep, I heard that watching an Irish broadcast, very obviously directed at Royal and I would say at least 20 seconds, of exactly what you quoted and in a very aggressive manner, deplorable.

Not sure that was directed at any of our players.

 

[Jim De hat]

Not sure that was directed at any of our players.

Apologies, misunderstood watching on TV

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Yep, I heard that watching an Irish broadcast, very obviously directed at Royal and I would say at least 20 seconds, of exactly what you quoted and in a very aggressive manner, deplorable.

A poster above somewhere said it was directed at the Leeds player taking the corner and apparently does it very regularly to opposition players when they go to take a corner.

 

[spurmin]

A poster above somewhere said it was directed at the Leeds player taking the corner and apparently does it very regularly to opposition players when they go to take a corner.

It was a bit counter productive as I think they scored from that corner.
A lesson learned maybe? But probably not.

 

[Stamford]

Just watched the first 27 minutes on Spursplay. WTF
Emerson apart from his goal attempt which he should have hit the target from, and Kulusevski were vey good. Back to it.

he was good yeah. But they won't hear you mate, he's the worst spurs player for the last 20 years apparently.

 

[Gilzean at the near post]

Because one v one he’s garbage

He can't tackle

 

[rossdapep]

Come on let's have some positivity ! We ended before the break on a high. We all knew this last game was all about the result and less about the performance. I safely predicted before the game that we would have to outscore them to bag the 3 points because our defence which is currently shot of confidence shouldn't be relied on to see us through it 1-0 or 2-0 and so it proved. We didn't need much of a crystal ball to predict that.

I'm optimistic about the second half of the season after the break, things to work on and reinforcements to buy and players to ship out, but if you'd offered me qualification for the CL knock out and right in the mix for top 4 and to end with a win I'd have taken that all day long COYS !

Agree.

I think the objective has been to go into this WC break with a nice points tally and CL qualification.

Other than a couple of annoying defeats (Newcastle/Liverpool), I think we've achieved that.

When games come thick and fast, injuries pile up and there's hardly any recovery time, it's simply about getting points and not performances.

I absolutely believe Conte focused on grit, determination and the will to not give in by pushing the players beyond their limits in preseason. You could see that with the opposition Conte chose, teams like Roma who are tough to break down. It instills an attitude to keep going and suffer through tough periods. We've got through that first stage. Now we should be able to look forward.

In comparison, Arteta focused on system and style. Arsenal played against a lot of teams who are attack-minded because he wanted to get his team playing faster and more confident. Bearing in mind a lot of Arsenal's tough games have been at home and they had a very easy start to the season. Get players confidence up by winning all of the opening games.

We will now see if that strategy sets them up for the latter stages of the season where you have more pressure.

Meanwhile, we will see if things get easier for us as we have had to wade through the shit and could be more accustomed to the pressures

 

[Gb160]

I was at the game yesterday, and I dont know if this has been picked up in previous posts but watch Richarlison‘s reaction with Royal just after the miss - he knows the boos are coming and he knows its going to hurt his teammate, and wants to protect him.

If booing your own team makes them play better, then OK, but is there one person any where in the world who thinks Royal will be a better play if thousands get on his back. It will only make him fearful and nervous and make him play worse. Surely everybody must know this??

If you are a Spurs fan who paid the high ticket prices and taken the trouble to go to the game why the F**k would you want your team to play worse?? It may scratch an emotional itch in the moment to scream abuse at one of your own players, but you are helping the opposition. Utterly, totally moronic!!

The crowd did something similar against Liverpool. I missed the game as i was ill, but what came across load and clear on TV after Dier’s mistake for the second, when he headed the ball back to one of our defenders there was the sarcastic cheers. He’s a human being who bleeds lily white - how do you think that makes him feel? More nervous or less?

Instead of coming away from the game exhilarated following a 7 goal thriller and 3 points, I came away angry and pissed off with our own fan base for the first time in my life. I wasnt alone either, as many people in my block (504) were fuming at the HT booing.

I hate to say it, but this is the kind of toxic atmosphere my gooner friends (I have many!!) used to describe during the end of the Wenger era. Perhaps not as bad but heading that way.

I have been a season ticket holder for all but 2/3 years out of the last 43 years. I have been to over 1000 games, and lived through the bullshit of the 90s and early 2000s. I have never boo’d the team or any single player.

I bow to nobody in my belief that Royal is not good enough and is a drag on the team. But since I’m not one of the top 4/5 managers in the world, and Conte is and i have never seen Spence train and Conte has, I have enough humility to appreciate that maybe i am not in posssesion of all of the facts. What i do know is that he gives his all in every game, and never hides even when things aren’t going well for him and the crowd is on his back which must be utterly soul destroying for any flesh and blood human being. While wearing our shirt he is entitled to our full support, even and especially when having a bad day.

Rant over!!

PS - the only time in all my years where a player did deserve the fans’ anger was Ghaly when throwing the shirt to the floor after being subbed (you do not ever do that), and Ndomble (one of the biggest wastes of talent i’ve ever seen), strolling off the pitch when we were losing to Morecombe

What will be interesting is how Conte handles the Royal situation, because one things for sure the idiots who were booing him won’t think twice about doing it again. Emerson isn’t suddenly going to become a world beater by Boxing Day.

The people booing him and jeering Dier against Liverpool are basically deciding that they know better than the manager, it’s a fucking weird mindset.

 

[DenverSpur]

I was at the game yesterday, and I dont know if this has been picked up in previous posts but watch Richarlison‘s reaction with Royal just after the miss - he knows the boos are coming and he knows its going to hurt his teammate, and wants to protect him.

If booing your own team makes them play better, then OK, but is there one person any where in the world who thinks Royal will be a better play if thousands get on his back. It will only make him fearful and nervous and make him play worse. Surely everybody must know this??

If you are a Spurs fan who paid the high ticket prices and taken the trouble to go to the game why the F**k would you want your team to play worse?? It may scratch an emotional itch in the moment to scream abuse at one of your own players, but you are helping the opposition. Utterly, totally moronic!!

The crowd did something similar against Liverpool. I missed the game as i was ill, but what came across load and clear on TV after Dier’s mistake for the second, when he headed the ball back to one of our defenders there was the sarcastic cheers. He’s a human being who bleeds lily white - how do you think that makes him feel? More nervous or less?

Instead of coming away from the game exhilarated following a 7 goal thriller and 3 points, I came away angry and pissed off with our own fan base for the first time in my life. I wasnt alone either, as many people in my block (504) were fuming at the HT booing.

I hate to say it, but this is the kind of toxic atmosphere my gooner friends (I have many!!) used to describe during the end of the Wenger era. Perhaps not as bad but heading that way.

I have been a season ticket holder for all but 2/3 years out of the last 43 years. I have been to over 1000 games, and lived through the bullshit of the 90s and early 2000s. I have never boo’d the team or any single player.

I bow to nobody in my belief that Royal is not good enough and is a drag on the team. But since I’m not one of the top 4/5 managers in the world, and Conte is and i have never seen Spence train and Conte has, I have enough humility to appreciate that maybe i am not in posssesion of all of the facts. What i do know is that he gives his all in every game, and never hides even when things aren’t going well for him and the crowd is on his back which must be utterly soul destroying for any flesh and blood human being. While wearing our shirt he is entitled to our full support, even and especially when having a bad day.

Rant over!!

PS - the only time in all my years where a player did deserve the fans’ anger was Ghaly when throwing the shirt to the floor after being subbed (you do not ever do that), and Ndomble (one of the biggest wastes of talent i’ve ever seen), strolling off the pitch when we were losing to Morecombe

Well said.

 

[DenverSpur]

Agree.

I think the objective has been to go into this WC break with a nice points tally and CL qualification.

Other than a couple of annoying defeats (Newcastle/Liverpool), I think we've achieved that.

When games come thick and fast, injuries pile up and there's hardly any recovery time, it's simply about getting points and not performances.

I absolutely believe Conte focused on grit, determination and the will to not give in by pushing the players beyond their limits in preseason. You could see that with the opposition Conte chose, teams like Roma who are tough to break down. It instills an attitude to keep going and suffer through tough periods. We've got through that first stage. Now we should be able to look forward.

In comparison, Arteta focused on system and style. Arsenal played against a lot of teams who are attack-minded because he wanted to get his team playing faster and more confident. Bearing in mind a lot of Arsenal's tough games have been at home and they had a very easy start to the season. Get players confidence up by winning all of the opening games.

We will now see if that strategy sets them up for the latter stages of the season where you have more pressure.

Meanwhile, we will see if things get easier for us as we have had to wade through the shit and could be more accustomed to the pressures

In reference to the bold part it would have been interesting to see how we would have faired in those games with everyone fit.
In comparison Arsenal have escaped any injury worries and it would have been interesting to see how they would have performed against Liverpool and Chelsea if they’d had comparable players out which would have been Saka, Martenelli, Saliba, Nketia and Pepe.

 

[Serpico]

Just want to say...We all agree Emerson is not a football player but we all accept he gives it 100%. Every game I want him to be outstanding as I do every other player. I laugh when he f**ks it up but I love it when it comes off for him. Senior players as Kane/Son and others need to take the brunt of the criticism. For me, others (unnamed) are guilty of doing the basics badly and able to hide behind the Emerson’s poor performances.

 

[Serpico]

Also on booing-booing at half time is acceptable at the team/coach if it’s warranted . The players should be scrutinised and criticised and told if they are underperforming. Second half we improve so maybe it works?

Edit: say “maybe it works’ was meant tongue in cheek. As we play s game of two halves.

 

[greavesy461]

Just watched the game replay. I thought Sanchez looked decent in the last 20 mins after he came on. Was actually meaningfully contributing to our attacks with forward runs and nice incisive passing. It’s so important for our system that whomever is playing LCB and RCB get forward and add numbers to midfield or even attack.

 

[rossdapep]

Also on booing-booing at half time is acceptable at the team/coach if it’s warranted . The players should be scrutinised and criticised and told if they are underperforming. Second half we improve so maybe it works?

Its really not.

And if it worked every team that a team was losing or playing poorly, then everyone would do it.

 

[rossdapep]

Watching the game back now and I don't think that half is as bad as people were saying at the time.

A few thoughts
- The movement and interchanging of the front 3 was good. Richarlison is much more of a threat off the left and he'll come good.

- With this front three, you actually have a potentially good scenario as Kane and Kulusevski both drop out of the area to create, Richarlison and Perisic then attack the central area and back post. Two aerially good players.

- For the first goal, first Hojbjerg doesn't anticipate the second ball and get goal side and then Dier is too far back ans doesn't adjust his positioning. Conte's best teams have always been much more compact in these scenarios so that second balls don't become good atracking opportunities for opposition.

- On the second goal, Lenglet and Davies both look to the assistant ref half expecting the flag but then realise that someone wasn't pushed up. Clearly this has been practiced but someone didn't react.

- Our biggest problem is when we lose the ball as we are going into attack, because we have too many gaps and don't become compact quick enough or press immediately, the opposition get much easier attacking routes. We sometimes then struggle to construct the ball out again. When we succesully do that, we start to push the opposition back and have a period of pressure.

- These situations tend to always be caused by a really poor pass. The normal culprits are Dier, Emerson Davies, Llori although yesterday Bentancur and Kane both had a shocker each.

- Emerson actually made a number of good passes in the final third.

 

[Serpico]

Its really not.

And if it worked every team that a team was losing or playing poorly, then everyone would do it.

Im jesting a little because of our recebt perfornances (smiley face) . Although supporter should be able to express them selves. Booing is a recognised way.

 

[Rob]

- On the second goal, Lenglet and Davies both look to the assistant ref half expecting the flag but then realise that someone wasn't pushed up. Clearly this has been practiced but someone didn't react.

Hmm I wonder who

 

[rossdapep]

Im jesting a little because of our recebt perfornances (smiley face) . Although supporter should be able to express them selves. Booing is a recognised way.

I agree it can be a way to express but it shouldn't come out anytime because we are losing or not playing well.

When we lost to United 3-0 was the correct time to show dissatisfaction and anger because it was months of incompetence resulting on the pitch