The Jermaine Jenas Hijack Thread
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pagevee
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all and a special
As has been said many a time - I didn't start it honest guv
Sometimes I think you need to start smoking some herb. Today is one of those days
JKD76
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Jenas is not good enough to attract the attention of a champions league outfit,bottom line.He may improve and may become more consistent,but to be honest i wouldnt be overly worried if we off loaded him.Our best midfielder for last few seasons,possibly yes,but he hasnt had much competition.Ive said this time and time again our midfield last season was nowhere near the level it should be.Big question marks over all of them.
Jakes
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Hi slunksoma
How about the fact that JJ has been our best mid over the past two seasons - hiow about the fact that JJ is a key part of our first team squad - how about the fact that I'm sticking you on ignore and everyone else who wants to have ridiculous pops at a guy who has helped to us to Europe 3 years in a row and our first trophy in nine years - yes I am pissed as it happens and yes I am fucking sick to the back teeth of the JJ bashers
I'm going to the Roma game and I swear if someone starts badmouthing JJ - there's gonna be a ruck and if I get banned so be it - I'll watch it on TV from now on - frankly I've had enough
I thang you
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrep'd :clap:
walworthyid
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I am sorry, but JJ is not good enough for where Ramos wants to take us and more importantly he is not the right type of player.
If you take a player like Gerrard, who I think is world-class and whom is way better than JJ in every way that counts, he is only a world-beater when the game is played at a very high "english" tempo. He is quick, strong, has good technique when playing at full speed, he can beat players with power and pace, he scores goals, he creates goals etc etc. Slow the game down a touch and rely purely on technique and he becomes just another midfield player, as witnesses by his performances for England.
JJ is a poor man's Gerrard and he becomes even worse the game is all about technique. His first touch is poor, his vision is generally poor because when he receives the ball he either knocks 30 yards ahead of himself and loses it or passes it backwards. He seldom passes forwards, he has no composure in advanced areas. I could go on.
If the jj fans want to continue playing headless chicken football, JJ is the man to have at the centre of the midfield, if on the other hand you want to introduce some precision passing and ball retention, he needs to warm that bench or move on.
IMO he will not start the game at Boro'.
If you take a player like Gerrard, who I think is world-class and whom is way better than JJ in every way that counts, he is only a world-beater when the game is played at a very high "english" tempo. He is quick, strong, has good technique when playing at full speed, he can beat players with power and pace, he scores goals, he creates goals etc etc. Slow the game down a touch and rely purely on technique and he becomes just another midfield player, as witnesses by his performances for England.
JJ is a poor man's Gerrard and he becomes even worse the game is all about technique. His first touch is poor, his vision is generally poor because when he receives the ball he either knocks 30 yards ahead of himself and loses it or passes it backwards. He seldom passes forwards, he has no composure in advanced areas. I could go on.
If the jj fans want to continue playing headless chicken football, JJ is the man to have at the centre of the midfield, if on the other hand you want to introduce some precision passing and ball retention, he needs to warm that bench or move on.
IMO he will not start the game at Boro'.
joey55
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But you don't rate Huddlestone and Ramos has just given him a 5 year contract! Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but I suspect Ramos will again have different ideas to you come the Boro game.
walworthyid
David Ginola
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Your quite correct, I don't rate Huddlestone.
But you make it sound like I want to not like him, but nobody ever responds to the points that I make about him, like I think nobody will really be able to argue with the above about JJ.
Let us see how many games either of them start unless they can massively improve their respective games.
Sometimes I think you need to start smoking some herb. Today is one of those days
Thanks for the advice PV
I'll take that as a constructive comment
Hi WY - we've talked b4
anyway you're welcome to your opinions -
so JJ isn't as good as StevieG- you're correct -
Incidentally Keane isn't as good as Torres but where does that leave RK?
And by the way Greavesie wasn't as good as Pele, but Billy Nick kept on picking him (greavesie that is)
I've said on various threads -
I will give evens that JJ will start more games than either Lennon or GDS next season - pick either one - or you can have both if you'll give me 6/4 (naturally not their combined totals- but if either exceeds the number of JJ starts)
If you want to offer me 7/4 I'll take JJ to start more games than Modric, who I think of as currently our main man in the mid
That's how confident I am JJ will be an integral part of our team
In the end the opinion that is the most important is the manager's - both Jol and JR have have had JJ as a key player in their Spurs teams
maybe things will change next year - in one sense of course they will - but IMO JJ is, and will remain, a key part of JR's plans
joey55
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You've criticed JJ saying:
"JJ is a poor man's Gerrard and he becomes even worse the game is all about technique. His first touch is poor, his vision is generally poor because when he receives the ball he either knocks 30 yards ahead of himself and loses it or passes it backwards. He seldom passes forwards, he has no composure in advanced areas"
Yet, Huddlestone's game is all about technique, his first touch is excellent, as is his vision, he plays the ball forward and he is very composed in advanced areas. It seems like you're criticising JJ for not being like Huddlestone, but you don't rate Huddlestone. Also, I don't think JJ does have poor technique or vision. But, as you say, we'll have to wait and see how many games they start.
Interesting analysis. I have noticed long ago that most English teams, international team inclusive, meet big problems when the tempo is slow. This is why the likes of Romania (1998, 2000) and Croatia beat England.
Hi Petyr - And did JJ play in any of those games - not that I remember, but it was probably his fault anyway - and while i'm on here - wot about the Titanic .....and the Mary Rose .. oh I could go on and probably will
joey55
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It's something that is spoken about quite often in the media here. There is always a frustration that the International team don't play at Premiership pace. They allow the game to be slowed and play at a tempo that doesn't suite them.
pagevee
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Thanks for the advice PV
I'll take that as a constructive comment
You should. We have both discussed our opinions on JJ when Modric was signed. He still will be the last of our 'current' mid-fielders to be offloaded. That is because he was the best, yet inconsistent, mid-fielder on the team last year. He was first choice for Jol and Ramos last season. He will remain a choice this season.
I still want a DM to come in though. If that happens then I can see JJ either upping his consistency or becoming a benchwarmer/substitute. Either way he won't be sold until many others are sold with replacements coming in. That will not happen this summer.
Hi Petyr - And did JJ play in any of those games - not that I remember, but it was probably his fault anyway - and while i'm on here - wot about the Titanic .....and the Mary Rose .. oh I could go on and probably will
It wasn't directed against JJ, DC-Boy. But I agree with the opinion that he is a worse version of Gerrard. I'm not particularly impressed with JJ's passing ability and vision. But maybe my opinion is due to my limited knowledge of football :shrug: Ramos knows better and if he plays JJ next season, then he is good enough to start for THFC.
Yes, at club level it is different, particularly in the last 2-3 years. Barca tried to slow the tempo against Man U at OT but it didn't pay off.
Krafty
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No one has been in for JJ because he would be too expensive.
JJ slowly improves each season but its not nearly enough. He isnt consistent enough. Just like a lot of our midfielders, they all would benefit from an experienced leader playing with them. In JJ's case he would ordered to continue going all match, and if this leader was good defensively it might give him more confidence to venture forward more often.
I think JJ's problems can be summed up with his performance away at Man Utd in the cup. Twice he made terrific runs and got past the defence, only to finish woefully. Its such a shame. He could be better than Gerard
JJ slowly improves each season but its not nearly enough. He isnt consistent enough. Just like a lot of our midfielders, they all would benefit from an experienced leader playing with them. In JJ's case he would ordered to continue going all match, and if this leader was good defensively it might give him more confidence to venture forward more often.
I think JJ's problems can be summed up with his performance away at Man Utd in the cup. Twice he made terrific runs and got past the defence, only to finish woefully. Its such a shame. He could be better than Gerard
He's so inconsistent, and I suppose as he's one of the more experienced players and and England player in our squad, we seem to expect awesome performances week in week out. I feel he would strive in an environment where all he had to do was concentrate on his own performance.
At spurs, he has to look after his central midfield partner, and even sometimes the back four, and he struggles to concentrate on his own game and can't even get forward enough. I feel that the only player who would take charge and support JJ is Teemu, as he's experienced, and plays like a battler in the middle.
At spurs, he has to look after his central midfield partner, and even sometimes the back four, and he struggles to concentrate on his own game and can't even get forward enough. I feel that the only player who would take charge and support JJ is Teemu, as he's experienced, and plays like a battler in the middle.
