The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Scot-Spur]

Quite pathetic on here sometimes!

Poch wasn't my first choice but it seems as though he will become manager of our team!
So everyone should get over it and get behind him, no point debating if he's the right man for the job as it won't change once it's decided!
And I would think everyone wants what's best for the team!

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Reality is, our opinions have little to no baring on who will be appointed, we're just debating for debatings sake.
Pochettino appears to be the man in pole position, so while we may all want to debate his apparent shortcomings, are they any more than the same things that could have been said about Rodgers prior to going to Liverpool?
Ok, so Pochettino has been pointed out as having not won from a losing position, not got a plan b etc. Well, you can only work with the tools at hand, and a small Saints squad, with very few truly international class players, is a whole different proposition to managing at Spurs. If he can translate his tactics, ideas and general playing ethos, then the higher calibre of players at his disposal, and in greater depth, will potentially see him answer those question marks hanging over him. Front three of Lallana, Rodriguez and Lambert, with almost no recognised alternatives, versus front three of Eriksen, Lamela and Adebayor, with options from Holtby, Dembele, Chadli, Lennon, Townsend and Soldado to change things around. Very very different.

Time will tell. But if he gets the gig, I'll be supporting him, and the team, as always.

COYS

 

["sir"billynic]

Just hope he doesn't become a scape goat when/if it all goes wrong (again).....

 

[Spurger King]

Just hope he doesn't become a scape goat when/if it all goes wrong (again).....

If Pochettino is a failure I really think the only person who can be blamed is Levy. With the exception of Sherwood, Levy's past appointments have been generally justifiable...even Ramos and AVB had significant European success on their CVs.

This is such a massive risk that if it doesn't pay off, the fans will have good reason to ask why Levy gave the job to someone who's biggest achievement has been one 8th place finish and some nice football. Not saying Benitez or De Boer would do any better, but I'd imagine most people could see why Levy would sign them up.

Hopefully he'll be a big success...or at least successful enough to show why Levy is going for him. However if he isn't, I can see the tide really turning against Levy.

 

["sir"billynic]

If Pochettino is a failure I really think the only person who can be blamed is Levy. With the exception of Sherwood, Levy's past appointments have been generally justifiable...even Ramos and AVB had significant European success on their CVs.

This is such a massive risk that if it doesn't pay off, the fans will have good reason to ask why Levy gave the job to someone who's biggest achievement has been one 8th place finish and some nice football. Not saying Benitez or De Boer would do any better, but I'd imagine most people could see why Levy would sign them up.

Hopefully he'll be a big success...or at least successful enough to show why Levy is going for him. However if he isn't, I can see the tide really turning against Levy.

100% this. Whilst I hate to say it, I think this is Levy's last chance to get it right....

 

[yojambo]

Pochettino, he's a Yiddo!

 

[Metalhead]

If Pochettino is a failure I really think the only person who can be blamed is Levy. With the exception of Sherwood, Levy's past appointments have been generally justifiable...even Ramos and AVB had significant European success on their CVs.

This is such a massive risk that if it doesn't pay off, the fans will have good reason to ask why Levy gave the job to someone who's biggest achievement has been one 8th place finish and some nice football. Not saying Benitez or De Boer would do any better, but I'd imagine most people could see why Levy would sign them up.

Hopefully he'll be a big success...or at least successful enough to show why Levy is going for him. However if he isn't, I can see the tide really turning against Levy.

I've got to the stage now where it feels like any appointment at Spurs is a risk. Granted, I guess that there are varying degrees of risk. It all depends on your point of view. You say that AVB was a justifiable appointment but there are plenty of Spurs fans that would vehemently disagree with you.

 

[Spurger King]

I've got to the stage now where it feels like any appointment at Spurs is a risk. Granted, I guess that there are varying degrees of risk. It all depends on your point of view. You say that AVB was a justifiable appointment but there are plenty of Spurs fans that would vehemently disagree with you.

There's always going to be people who disagree with an appointment, but at least on paper there was a lot to justify why AVB was given the job:

Successful at Porto.
Youngest manager to win a European trophy.
Supposedly highly rated among players across Europe.
Apparently highly knowledgeable about players across the world.
Deemed good enough to be given the job at Chelsea.
Deemed to have not been properly supported by Chelsea and their scum players.
A clear philosophy (allegedly).
Young, with the potential to establish a legacy.

Obviously didn't work out well, but I can see why Levy went for him, and I don't really blame him for putting his faith in AVB. After his first season, I'd imagine most fans felt it was justified, so when things went wrong people were blaming AVB rather than Levy (well...most people).

On the other hand, the list of reasons for justifying Pochettino are far more dubious and sparse. You're probably right that it just depends on each person's point of view. I just happen to think that Benitez or De Boer (though both risks in their own way) would seem like more justifiable and understandable appointments.

 

[markiespurs]

If Pochettino is a failure I really think the only person who can be blamed is Levy. With the exception of Sherwood, Levy's past appointments have been generally justifiable...even Ramos and AVB had significant European success on their CVs.

This is such a massive risk that if it doesn't pay off, the fans will have good reason to ask why Levy gave the job to someone who's biggest achievement has been one 8th place finish and some nice football. Not saying Benitez or De Boer would do any better, but I'd imagine most people could see why Levy would sign them up.

Hopefully he'll be a big success...or at least successful enough to show why Levy is going for him. However if he isn't, I can see the tide really turning against Levy.

Agree with what you've said here, although if the ITK is to be believed (from Atlantayid I think), then Levy could very well have been over ruled by Lewis on the seemingly imminent appointment of Poch.

 

[Spurger King]

Agree with what you've said here, although if the ITK is to be believed (from Atlantayid I think), then Levy could very well have been over ruled by Lewis on the seemingly imminent appointment of Poch.

Ah yes...I forgot about the sugar-free daddy.

 

[Yid1987]

What Ward-Prowse says about Pochettino and training is really interesting. Maybe his gym sessions also contribute towards Southampton having one of the best injury records last season.

Saints lost 708 days to injury last season. Spurs lost 1441 days!!

 

[teok]

I don't understand how some people can be so simplistic with their view of managers? Just because a previous manager who was deemed to be a failure shared some random characteristics like a style of play or winning the league in a smaller country.

None of those things were the reason why they failed. Judge each person on their own record/merit and work from there.

 

[Metalhead]

There's always going to be people who disagree with an appointment, but at least on paper there was a lot to justify why AVB was given the job:

Successful at Porto.
Youngest manager to win a European trophy.
Supposedly highly rated among players across Europe.
Apparently highly knowledgeable about players across the world.
Deemed good enough to be given the job at Chelsea.
Deemed to have not been properly supported by Chelsea and their scum players.
A clear philosophy (allegedly).
Young, with the potential to establish a legacy.

Obviously didn't work out well, but I can see why Levy went for him, and I don't really blame him for putting his faith in AVB. After his first season, I'd imagine most fans felt it was justified, so when things went wrong people were blaming AVB rather than Levy (well...most people).

On the other hand, the list of reasons for justifying Pochettino are far more dubious and sparse. You're probably right that it just depends on each person's point of view. I just happen to think that Benitez or De Boer (though both risks in their own way) would seem like more justifiable and understandable appointments.

Sure, I understand that. Out of FDB and Benitez, I would say that the latter is definitely a safer appointment with his knowledge of the league. He went off a bit towards the end of his Liverpool tenure but noone can surely argue with his overall record as a manager. I am not strongly biased towards any of the names mentioned in connection with the job although I suspect that Pochettino is our man.

 

[beats1]

If Pochettino is a failure I really think the only person who can be blamed is Levy. With the exception of Sherwood, Levy's past appointments have been generally justifiable...even Ramos and AVB had significant European success on their CVs.

This is such a massive risk that if it doesn't pay off, the fans will have good reason to ask why Levy gave the job to someone who's biggest achievement has been one 8th place finish and some nice football. Not saying Benitez or De Boer would do any better, but I'd imagine most people could see why Levy would sign them up.

Hopefully he'll be a big success...or at least successful enough to show why Levy is going for him. However if he isn't, I can see the tide really turning against Levy.

The thing is with both Ramos and AVB, though they won the Uefa cup they both had awesome teams that had been built by their DoF's

Now there is a clear pattern of our managers
Santini (had one great season for Lyon)
Ramos (just had a great season and did well winning a uefa cup the season before)
Harry (just had a great season winning Fa Cup)
AVB (had one great season for Porto)
Poch (had one great season for Southampton)

The only reason I wanted FDB over Poch was because this season he won the league sustaining fourth league in a row with ajax fans I know saying this is the most remarkable of the lot as the squad is not very good.

Benitez for some reason or not never has been someone strongly linked

 

[parklane yid]

Ah yes...I forgot about the sugar-free daddy.

What did Atlanta yid say

 

[Spurger King]

What did Atlanta yid say

Something about Lewis wanting Pochettino because they have a mutual mate in Argentina, or something like that. To be honest I don't really listen to what Atlanta Yid has to say.

 

[xtrac]

Is it on the OS?? well if its not, he isnt our manager yet!! Take all ITK with a pinch of salt, as things can change very quickly in football...Willian is a perfect case of this, if its not stamped it aint done!!

ps bet he signs in the time i took to type this..

 

[mad max]

I was firmly in the FDB corner at first.
Big name as a player & won things as a player & coach but, as time went by I've warmed to the idea of having poch as our coach.
Reding all the stories about what kind of beliefs he has & the way he has implemented his ideas to his players has impressed me.
With a couple of players who can make the difference, I'm really enthusiastic about the upcoming season.

 

[SpartanSpur]

You do see the major flaw in your argument

You are saying they don't have a game changer like man city

However only west ham this season have done worse than Southampton at gaining points from losing positions and losing points from winning position.

So the rest of the league don't exactly need an Negredo, also man city didnt do that well either

No I haven't got the time to work through the stats for every team, but I doubt many of the teams below Southampton would have gone ahead in 60% of their games (which I calculated earlier in the thread). Probably higher than spurs' even. This significantly reduced his chances to claw such positions back (turned 5/12 into a draw). Combined with the lack of attacking options it mitigates these concerns but they will always be there. Hopefully he can continue to grow as a coach with us.

One other point I thought of, if this lack of plan B was such a serious concern for saints fans you would think that some would be so concerned by this that they would be happy for him to leave so that they can get someone in that does. They seem to be unanimous in their despair of him potentially leaving however.

It has been noted that Ajax fans have complained of FDBs slow style of play on here, but again they probably aren't desperate for him to leave. Fans just like to grumble when they've lost a game they shouldn't have.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I think we're just going to go around in circles on this, as I'm of the view that the outspoken criticism is the result rather than the cause of the hyperbole.

It certainly strengthened my cause to support him, and it seems this then knocked on to make you feel the opposite.

Across other threads on SC and especially twitter and other there are far more fans citing Poch isn't good enough, isn't a big name, another typical levy failure, FDB has to be the one, etc...

This made me and many others look into it and we like what we saw, and he even got more support as it went on.

Almost all of us that prefer Poch have said we would be happy with FDB but think Poch is a better fit got Spurs. Can't recall anyone saying FDB was a joke and Poch was the only choice.

When someone acts like FDB is the messiah the logical thing to do would air some concerns and criticisms. I have no problem with people preferring FDB and I 100% understand the people that want Rafa, I just really dislike people Poch bashing without even trying to look at what he offers.

When both options are gambles, how can one be seen as surefire success and another be guaranteed failure?