The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[SpurSince57]

Potch is the latest 'in' manager. Of course we will go for him that's what we do.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong but I do not believe Potch or even FdB are the answer to our problems. They may well paper over the cracks with a good start, but it will surely end the same as the last manager we hired who was the hottest thing since Mourinho ran up the old Trafford touch line.

Well, we did try for van Gaal and could well have got him if the Glazers hadn't pulled the trigger on Old Oyster Eyes.

Who else was (or is) available? I don't think there was anything whatsoever in the Benitez rumours, Ancelotti was surely wishful thinking, and while we had that tantalising snippet about Martinez there probably wasn't anything in that either. I really can't think of anyone else, certainly no-one who wouldn't have had at least as many question marks over him as Pock and de Boer.

Of course, we could have stuck with Sherwood; if he was a bit of an arse, said some daft things and did some decidedly odd ones, he also achieved par in very difficult circumstances. However, the intense animosity directed towards him made his continuing in the job an impossibility.

Maybe we get what we deserve.

 

[xtrac]

It certainly strengthened my cause to support him, and it seems this then knocked on to make you feel the opposite.

Across other threads on SC and especially twitter and other there are far more fans citing Poch isn't good enough, isn't a big name, another typical levy failure, FDB has to be the one, etc...

This made me and many others look into it and we like what we saw, and he even got more support as it went on.

Almost all of us that prefer Poch have said we would be happy with FDB but think Poch is a better fit got Spurs. Can't recall anyone saying FDB was a joke and Poch was the only choice.

When someone acts like FDB is the messiah the logical thing to do would air some concerns and criticisms. I have no problem with people preferring FDB and I 100% understand the people that want Rafa, I just really dislike people Poch bashing without even trying to look at what he offers.

When both options are gambles, how can one be seen as surefire success and another be guaranteed failure?

Sounds familiar.

In all fairness, there wouldnt be an argument, or debate if we went out and got an Elite manager!

I cant see anyone having any argument or debate if for instance we signed someone of the caliber off say, Mouriniho, Pep, Klopp, Sir Alex, Ancelotti etc...if there was it would only be those that choose to argue the toss for the sake off it!

 

[Spurger King]

It certainly strengthened my cause to support him, and it seems this then knocked on to make you feel the opposite.

Across other threads on SC and especially twitter and other there are far more fans citing Poch isn't good enough, isn't a big name, another typical levy failure, FDB has to be the one, etc...

This made me and many others look into it and we like what we saw, and he even got more support as it went on.

Almost all of us that prefer Poch have said we would be happy with FDB but think Poch is a better fit got Spurs. Can't recall anyone saying FDB was a joke and Poch was the only choice.

When someone acts like FDB is the messiah the logical thing to do would air some concerns and criticisms. I have no problem with people preferring FDB and I 100% understand the people that want Rafa, I just really dislike people Poch bashing without even trying to look at what he offers.

When both options are gambles, how can one be seen as surefire success and another be guaranteed failure?

I've never said any of the options would be a surefire success. As for people "bashing" Poch without looking at what he offers, I think it's pretty clear to most people what he has to offer...

A strong work ethic
Attractive, positive football
An ability to get the best out of his players
Apparently an affable nature that makes him popular with his team

I also think of all the managers we've been linked with, he seems to offer the best chance of getting the best out of Lamela and Soldado, as being an Argentine I'm sure he knows all about the former, and as a former manager in Spain he'll know a lot about the latter.

The problem isn't about people not acknowledging the positives...it's people not acknowledging the negatives and promoting an idealistic and simplistic view of why he's the 'best' option.

 

[marvel]

‏@SportsTonightTV 15m
It;s our belief Mauricio Pochettino is close to a 3 year contract with Tottenham

 

[THFCSPURS19]

‏@SportsTonightTV 15m
It;s our belief Mauricio Pochettino is close to a 3 year contract with Tottenham

Hmmm- I'm happy if it's true but I'm not sure if they are reliable or not...

 

[Spurger King]

‏@SportsTonightTV 15m
It;s our belief Mauricio Pochettino is close to a 3 year contract with Tottenham

Interesting use of a semicolon there. A sign of credible journalism if ever there was one.

 

[marvel]

Interesting use of a semicolon there. A sign of credible journalism if ever there was one.

They are a free-to-air TV station ran by the fans, for the fans. How much more credibility can you ask for?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

They are a free-to-air TV station ran by the fans, for the fans. How much more credibility can you ask for?

That doesn't make them very credible...or are you being sarcastic

 

[wpd659]

‏@SportsTonightTV 15m
It;s our belief Mauricio Pochettino is close to a 3 year contract with Tottenham

Who are they?

Edit- just seen post above.

Seems credible

 

[marvel]

That doesn't make them very credible...or are you being sarcastic

I was being sarcastic yes

 

[gushayes11]

‏@SportsTonightTV 15m
It;s our belief Mauricio Pochettino is close to a 3 year contract with Tottenham

Thank you; very much.

 

[beats1]

No I haven't got the time to work through the stats for every team, but I doubt many of the teams below Southampton would have gone ahead in 60% of their games (which I calculated earlier in the thread). Probably higher than spurs' even. This significantly reduced his chances to claw such positions back (turned 5/12 into a draw). Combined with the lack of attacking options it mitigates these concerns but they will always be there. Hopefully he can continue to grow as a coach with us.

One other point I thought of, if this lack of plan B was such a serious concern for saints fans you would think that some would be so concerned by this that they would be happy for him to leave so that they can get someone in that does. They seem to be unanimous in their despair of him potentially leaving however.

It has been noted that Ajax fans have complained of FDBs slow style of play on here, but again they probably aren't desperate for him to leave. Fans just like to grumble when they've lost a game they shouldn't have.

Ajax fans have only complained about the footy this season(small amount as well, they also mentioned they have played good faster football against the big teams) and they don't want de boer to leave because they realise that the team isn't very good.

I can link you to post on their forums saying that their players aren't as technically good as the teams in the past and that this is their worst team to win the League but de boer has performed miracles. People will discount De Boer and once he achieves something in Europe it will be too late. The same thing happened with Pellegrini, Simeone and etc. all were available but discounted because they didnt do anything of note when we went for AVB and now we would have no chance in hell for either.

As for the earlier bit that may well be true but here is the table for the stats
Points gained whilst losing

Chelsea (3)------------------ 5 2 17
Tottenham Hotspur (6)----- 5 2 17
Manchester United (7)------ 4 3 15
Stoke City (9)--------------- 4 3 15
Aston Villa (15)------------- 4 1 13
Liverpool (2)----------------- 3 4 13
West Bromwich Albion (17)- 1 9 12
Fulham (19)----------------- 3 2 11
Manchester City (1)--------- 3 1 10
Arsenal (4)------------------- 2 4 10
Cardiff City (20)------------- 2 4 10
Everton (5)------------------ 2 4 10
Swansea City (12)----------- 1 6 9
Sunderland (14)------------- 1 3 6
Southampton (8)------------ 0 6 6
Norwich City (18)------------ 1 2 5
Hull City (16)---------------- 1 1 4
West Ham United (13)------ 1 1 4
Newcastle United (10)------ 1 0 3
Crystal Palace (11)---------- 0 3 3

Now first column is wins from losing positions, second is draws from losing positions and finally points gained

Here is points lost from winning positions

Manchester United (7)------ 3 0 6
Tottenham Hotspur (6)----- 3 0 6
Crystal Palace (11)---------- 1 2 8
Arsenal (4)------------------ 3 1 9
Chelsea (3)------------------ 2 2 10
Hull City (16)---------------- 4 1 11
Cardiff City (20)------------- 1 3 11
Everton (5)------------------ 3 2 12
Manchester City (1)--------- 3 2 12
Swansea City (12)---------- 5 1 13
Aston Villa (15)------------- 2 3 13
Newcastle United (10)------ 2 3 13
Fulham (19)----------------- 4 2 14
Liverpool (2)----------------- 4 2 14
West Bromwich Albion (17)- 6 1 15
Norwich City (18)----------- 3 3 15
Stoke City (9)--------------- 5 2 16
Sunderland (14)------------- 2 4 16
Southampton (8)------------ 4 4 20
West Ham United (13)------ 1 6 20
The first column is draws from winning positions, losses from winning positions and finally post lost from winning positions

The argument about going ahead may be fair but then look at the teams around them they are all lower based teams and the same goes for the points gained. In total only west ham have lost more points from points gained and points lost with minus 16 and Southampton had minus 14

We on the other hand did have one benefit of AVB, which he installed this strong mentality in the squad and we never lost one game from that we led all season. Which is remarkable.

Looking at the table you notice even the lower teams had done well in one table and the only teams to do bad in both were West Ham, Southampton, Sunderland and Norwich.

Interestingly this Southampton only won 1 game when they conceded 1 goal and 1 game when they conceded 2 goals. Out of Southampton's 15 wins, 13 came from those with a clean sheet. Only Norwich won less matches when conceded a goal or more. Other than West Brom and Hull everyone else won more matches when they conceded a goal or more(i.e. 3 wins or more)

 

[SmegmaFarm]

Nope, but Ancelotti and Benitez would not have lost to us twice and especially when going 2 - 0 up at the Lane.

..based on their existing or previously high flying clubs... all theoretical pony, when it comes to us!

 

[SpartanSpur]

I've never said any of the options would be a surefire success. As for people "bashing" Poch without looking at what he offers, I think it's pretty clear to most people what he has to offer...

A strong work ethic
Attractive, positive football
An ability to get the best out of his players
Apparently an affable nature that makes him popular with his team

I also think of all the managers we've been linked with, he seems to offer the best chance of getting the best out of Lamela and Soldado, as being an Argentine I'm sure he knows all about the former, and as a former manager in Spain he'll know a lot about the latter.

The problem isn't about people not acknowledging the positives...it's people not acknowledging the negatives and promoting an idealistic and simplistic view of why he's the 'best' option.

I wasn't aiming the Poch bashing at you.

I fully realise the dangers of Poch coming in, I also realise the dangers of Rafa or FDB. Most of all I realise the dangers of managing spurs in general. Even if we got a Klopp or Mourinho I'd still have nagging concerns, because, well, Spurs.

I think we have a decent range of candidates and would be happy with any of them, I just don't understand why people completely dismiss Poch and like to stick up for him.

I'm actually intrigued about the seeming choice of Poch, he isn't the obvious choice and IMO the only reason our board have gone for him is because they think he ticks all or boxes.

 

[Tom Pops]

I think we have a decent range of candidates and would be happy with any of them, I just don't understand why people completely dismiss Poch and like to stick up for him.

I'm actually intrigued about the seeming choice of Poch, he isn't the obvious choice and IMO the only reason our board have gone for him is because they think he ticks all or boxes.

Thankyou

I'm bored of this #teamFDB #teamPoch nonsense

 

["sir"billynic]

Talk Sport reporting that Poch is set to stay at Southampton and we may not appoint a coach until after the WC

 

[Tom Pops]

Talk Sport reporting that Poch is set to stay at Southampton and we may not appoint a coach until after the WC

What happened to us announcing Van Gaal within the next 48 hours

 

[Syn_13]

Talk Sport reporting that Poch is set to stay at Southampton and we may not appoint a coach until after the WC

Poch it is, then.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Talk Sport reporting that Poch is set to stay at Southampton and we may not appoint a coach until after the WC

They know fuck all...

 

[dk-yid]

They know fuck all...

Never a truer word.