Has the Captaincy issue damaged MmmPoch?

mrbrightside73 · Nov 10, 2014

It all started so well but clearly theres big problems within the team, and i'm just wondering if giving the Captaincy and Vice Captaincy to Kaboul and Ade has made for an unhappy dressing room.Certainly Kaboul shouldn't be a regular starter never mind Captain, and if Adebayor divides opinion like he does amongst fans, i cant see it being any different in the dressing room.
Maybe it's had a bugger impact than we thought?

VoteMe4Prez · Nov 10, 2014

He's clearly made a big mistake with his captaincy appointment. Kabs is just not the right guy for the job.

mightyspur · Nov 10, 2014

How can he have made a mistake when it was voted for by the team? Shirley he would have made more of a mistake if he had gone, "yeah yeah good one boys I'm giving it to Lamela and BAE because you lot don't obviously have a clue!!"

Geyzer Soze · Nov 10, 2014

mightyspur said:
How can he have made a mistake when it was voted for by the team?

Because this effing 'team' are hopeless.

VoteMe4Prez · Nov 10, 2014

Because he's the one who should be picking the bloody captain, not letting the players dictate who it is

mightyspur · Nov 10, 2014

VoteMe4Prez said:
Because he's the one who should be picking the bloody captain, not letting the players dictate who it is

But the captain is the player on the pitch the team will look to for leadership. He should be respected by his peers. No point choosing someone who the team doesn't think is best otherwise you immediately create division.

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C-oops · Nov 10, 2014

The major issue is that we don't have anyone ( Hugo apart) that is captain material. Attitude and workrate from all players apart from Mason and Kane is diabolically poor.

dav3j · Nov 10, 2014

C-oops said:
The major issue is that we don't have anyone ( Hugo apart) that is captain material.

For the life of me I can't understand why he didn't pick Hugo. The bloke captains his country, is the only one in that back 5 who seems to have a voice, and is the first name on the teamsheet. Surely you wouldn't pick anyone else?!

mightyspur · Nov 10, 2014

VoteMe4Prez said:

I think it's quite an astute managerial decision. He now has the ability to veto the decision and say, this isn't working Kaboul is not up to the task and he is being dropped and now Loris or whoever else is captain. It gives him the opportunity to say, "I gave you clowns a chance and you blew it, so it's my way". If he had chosen someone and got it wrong, it's a lot harder for him to go back on it

whitechina · Nov 10, 2014

mightyspur said:
How can he have made a mistake when it was voted for by the team? Shirley he would have made more of a mistake if he had gone, "yeah yeah good one boys I'm giving it to Lamela and BAE because you lot don't obviously have a clue!!"

who is this Shirley? Is she Poch's wife? Can we blame her for the present troubles like Harry did when saying 'My wife could've scored that?"

C-oops · Nov 10, 2014

dav3j said:
For the life of me I can't understand why he didn't pick Hugo. The bloke captains his country, is the only one in that back 5 who seems to have a voice, and is the first name on the teamsheet. Surely you wouldn't pick anyone else?!

Can only be because he want's an outfield captain. Surely that is the only reason. Maybe he knows he'll be gone at the end of the season... One thing is for sure. It's a right fucking mess and will take a huge amount of balls to admit his mistake and change it...

felmani26 · Nov 10, 2014

dav3j said:
For the life of me I can't understand why he didn't pick Hugo. The bloke captains his country, is the only one in that back 5 who seems to have a voice, and is the first name on the teamsheet. Surely you wouldn't pick anyone else?!

Pretty much this to be honest.

Picking Kaboul was a bad judgement call by Poch and it certainly wasn't a spur of the moment decision either considering the time it took but then he surely must've taken some questionable advice in the process.

Mr Pink · Nov 10, 2014

Its a sequence of problems.

Firstly we should of been buying a top quality CB over the summer. We tried and failed, but we should of gone for another quality CB instead of dropping down the ladder of quality so to speak. And this all should of happened much earlier in the window.

It was something we were crying out for, and I thought the whole point of off loading Dawson was that we were in for a serious upgrade in that position.

So had we acquired a top class CB, who should be partnering Vertonghen, how on earth would Kaboul have made captain?

It all stemmed from there IMO.

Just one fuck up after another. Kaboul should never of been a serious candidate for the captaincy had we gone about our recruitment properly.

The implications of not getting in a much better CB to partner Vertonghen are huge. Not to mention the inexplicable handling of the latter at present.

To be honest I'm just lost for words, but not surprised that our transfer dealings have once again come back to bite us in a big way.

When will Levy learn. Understands the price of everything and the value of nothing in terms of the teams needs.

And this is coming from someone who has been very pro Levy.

Mullers · Nov 10, 2014

My theory is Poch made Ade vice captain to get him on his sid. He saw what a disruptive influence he can be.
He wanted a striker but we couldn't afford one, So realising that's he's stuck with Ade and seen what a disruptive influence Ade can be, he tried to get on his good side by making him captain

robbiedee · Nov 10, 2014

Maybe the players went for Kaboul as he was the least likely player to shout at them and tell them what to do...

I don't normally like goalies as captains as their influence on the game is limited to the space they occupy, but Lloris seems like the only option other than Verts.

Maybe he should give the captaincy to Soldado...could be the focus he needs or could blow up in our faces.

Really don't think Kaboul is the man though.

Either way...I think Poch has made his bed now

CornerPinDreamer · Nov 10, 2014

I don;t want Hugo to be captain either..world class player but I can;t see him walking out and chinning Kaboul/Verts/Fazio anytime soon

that is what we currently need.. the zombie Dave Mackay to whp these fuckers into shape

JerryGarcia · Nov 10, 2014

If the players think Kaboul is the right man for the job then we're in deeper shit than we thought. Poch should have based the decision on other factors imo, things like leadership ability, football ability and they'd have to be good enough to be playing almost every game. Basically Lloris should have been made captain and most fans seemed to agree at the time.

Now what does he do? Strip Kaboul of the armband and destroy what remains of his confidence? It seems like bad management to me but I guess I can at least see what he was trying to do. He must have overestimated our players abilities big time though.

whitesocks · Nov 10, 2014

I think he is a good captain.
He buzzes around the refs respectfully and I think he influences them.
And when anything starts to kick off, he breaks it up and no-one messes with him. No-one.
The problem is that he is not a very good CB.
I'd play him at RB - he likes to have a gallop up field.

Gaz_Gammon · Nov 10, 2014

Anyone of the twenty five squad members could be Captain of this shower.

What is required is a leader and we have not one.

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