The Jermaine Jenas Hijack Thread

walworthyid · Jul 4, 2008

PT said:
Perhaps it's the blend, the mixtures of parts that make the sum. We've played sporadically brilliantly, no team touching us on our day, then shyte at places like Grimsby when you think WTF?!?

Put JJ in alongside a complimentary MF or DMF and give him a specific mandate and it may be the catalyst. It may even necessitate a different MF or DMF or forward that is tuned in to JJ.

That's the key to all successful teams - a blend of parts to make the sum.

So have Chelsea, Mancs, Scum and Pool (well, pool play shite all of the time except in the Champs League) the difference being that they win when they play shit and they play shit less often.

When you start buying players to compliment inconsistent and generally inferior players like JJ you are on the wrong track. We need a better, more consistent player in his position, period. The longer he plays in the team a better player out there is not.

I'm sorry but I would bench him and buy a better player.

sloth · Jul 4, 2008

joey55 said:
When Jol was put officially in charge, the first change he made, was to put Carrick in the team and play him in DM. Over the next 64 Premiership games, we conceded just 63 goals, all of which Robbo played in and Dawson for the large majority. Since Carrick left, we've played 76 games and conceded 115 goals. Basically we concede on average 0.5 goals per game more post Carrick. So whilst undoubtedly Robbo has been awful, there is very strong evidence that we'd see an equally big improvement on our defensive record by recruiting a top quality DM.

I agree Carrick was hugely important to the side and we suffered when he left, in fact i was gutted when Utd came in for him and was one of the one's saying f*ck their money he could be the key to CL football for us.

I also appreciate your work with statistics and think they often highlight points people might otherwise miss or serve to put in better relief things people already believe to be so but have trouble expressing.

There's a danger though in drawing to much of a conclusion from the absence of a single player. Carrick's departure not only meant we lost a creative holding midfielder but it changed the entire shape of the team. You might also consider the changing shapes and strategies of our rivals. you can also think of the role confidence plays, a poor start there compared to a scraped win here etc in short a myriad of factors of which Carrick's absence is one.

I have a slightly different take on Robbo to everyone else. Most people suggest that the malaise started in front of him and it's this which led to his own loss of form and confidence. I think it began with him and spread to the defence and midfield. i think the reason he suffered so many long shots and the midfield and defence looked at sixes and sevens was because of Robbo's hesitancy. Of course one then feeds the other and vice versa.

I think with Gomes in goal we'll see much better performances from all our defensive players.

onion · Jul 6, 2008

If we only do one bit of business from now till the end of the window it should be to get rid of Penas, trade him for a mars bar and a packet of crisps. HE IS SHYTE

madroosta · Jul 7, 2008

jj is great.......................on his day........................which comes as frequently as ladies nasty times.....not a rant, not a slating just doing a catchphrase.......say what you see.

AllSeeingEye · Jul 7, 2008

onion said:
If we only do one bit of business from now till the end of the window it should be to get rid of Penas, trade him for a mars bar and a packet of crisps. HE IS SHYTE

Your first post is.......a slate?

This does not bode well.....

PYiddy · Jul 8, 2008

DC_Boy said:
Hi slunksoma - nothing personal in the following rant - you're just the particular straw that broke this particular camel's back

How about the fact that JJ has been our best mid over the past two seasons - hiow about the fact that JJ is a key part of our first team squad - how about the fact that I'm sticking you on ignore and everyone else who wants to have ridiculous pops at a guy who has helped to us to Europe 3 years in a row and our first trophy in nine years - yes I am pissed as it happens and yes I am fucking sick to the back teeth of the JJ bashers

I'm going to the Roma game and I swear if someone starts badmouthing JJ - there's gonna be a ruck and if I get banned so be it - I'll watch it on TV from now on - frankly I've had enough

I thang you

I don't rate him much either.

mitch8the8spur · Jul 8, 2008

how can you not rate the midfielder with the best goal record for the club?
I personally think jermaine IS a class central midfielder with a great engine heart and eye for goal BUT as people have stated has had to much of a work load on his back.I feel he would be absolutely class along side someone who could just mop up behind him and crush a few players around him.. and earn the ball for jj to put it in the net. But as many people have said mainly on his day wich comes in about 1/3 performances. lets hope jj and modric works a treat ay ??

paul_m2k5 · Jul 8, 2008

mitch8the8spur said:
how can you not rate the midfielder with the best goal record for the club?
I personally think jermaine IS a class central midfielder with a great engine heart and eye for goal BUT as people have stated has had to much of a work load on his back.I feel he would be absolutely class along side someone who could just mop up behind him and crush a few players around him.. and earn the ball for jj to put it in the net. But as many people have said mainly on his day wich comes in about 1/3 performances. lets hope jj and modric works a treat ay ??

Great Post Mate.:clap::clap::clap:
JJ playing alongside Zokora has not helped or improved his game.
When he was playing with Carrick he was free flowing and full of confidence because he knew he had a quality player backing him up,but zokora is not good enough,plain and simple,and his poor performances have definatley effected JJ's game.
When Hudd or TT plays JJ is a different player.
But it doesn't really matter cos next season it will be JJ and Modric in the middle and hopefully JJ will come out of his shell and shine again.

mitch8the8spur · Jul 8, 2008

paul_m2k5 said:
Great Post Mate.:clap::clap::clap:
JJ playing alongside Zokora has not helped or improved his game.
When he was playing with Carrick he was free flowing and full of confidence because he knew he had a quality player backing him up,but zokora is not good enough,plain and simple,and his poor performances have definatley effected JJ's game.
When Hudd or TT plays JJ is a different player.
But it doesn't really matter cos next season it will be JJ and Modric in the middle and hopefully JJ will come out of his shell and shine again.

i completely agree with your points

i personally think JJ and TT wernt to much of a bad combination but obviously because of TT's constant injuries has provented any chemistry between the two.
I agree that zokora definetly is not good enough to help JJ become what we are all waiting for him to become. but my fear is that how would u think a player 25 ? yea? can completely benifet from being next to a 22 year old playing his first year in the league? i truly hope he can come out of his shell and that modric can be that mop in the midfield and distribute with jj being the aggressor. time will tell im afraid.

DM signing wouldnt go to bad for me :shrug:

paul_m2k5 · Jul 8, 2008

mitch8the8spur said:
i completely agree with your points
i personally think JJ and TT wernt to much of a bad combination but obviously because of TT's constant injuries has provented any chemistry between the two.
I agree that zokora definetly is not good enough to help JJ become what we are all waiting for him to become. but my fear is that how would u think a player 25 ? yea? can completely benifet from being next to a 22 year old playing his first year in the league? i truly hope he can come out of his shell and that modric can be that mop in the midfield and distribute with jj being the aggressor. time will tell im afraid.

DM signing wouldnt go to bad for me :shrug:

Thanks Mate.:cheers:
JJ is a Top quality player,he gives 100% every game and i have no doubts about his ability.
Finally somebody agrees with me that Zokora is not good enough,hence the reason why we have splashed out so much for Modric.

mitch8the8spur · Jul 8, 2008

paul_m2k5 said:
Thanks Mate.:cheers:
JJ is a Top quality player,he gives 100% every game and i have no doubts about his ability.
Finally somebody agrees with me that Zokora is not good enough,hence the reason why we have splashed out so much for Modric.

yeh zokora does my head in :bang:
i totaly rate JJ so lets just see wat he can do hey

only he can prove it i guess. lets hope modric is the midfield berbatov for the next 10 years :bowdown:

Phil_2.0 · Jul 8, 2008

Jenas hate is so dull.

I hate to use such hyperbole but when you say players like Jenas are rubbish you don't really understand football.

Hes very consistent, which is what you want from a central midfielder. Central midfield is not a place where you want someone to be great for a bit then below par for the rest of the time. Jenas is consistently good, he never loses the game for you at all, barely gives the ball away and never vacates the midfield area too early i.e. getting too far ahead of the ball leaving you prone to counter attack.

Hes been a common theme in our side the last 3 seasons thats seen us finish 5th twice and a league cup win, and its not a co-incidence. He and Carrick were one of the best partnerships in the league and hes had to put up with playing with an awful Lennon and a Limited Zokora, lets see what he can do with the electric modric next to him.

Jenas hate from fans is rubbish just because he isn't fat like Tom Huddlestone who can admittedly pass it 70 yards then 2 minutes later give the ball away in his own half on a 15 yard square ball. Thats just the old archaic spurs mentality of "Attack Attack Attack" and "I would rather lose 5-4 than win 1-0".

paul_m2k5 · Jul 8, 2008

mitch8the8spur said:
yeh zokora does my head in :bang:
i totaly rate JJ so lets just see wat he can do hey

only he can prove it i guess. lets hope modric is the midfield berbatov for the next 10 years :bowdown:

The funny thing is mate,is that whenever i express my views on players who are under performing are not good enough e.g Zokora,Lee,Stalteri,Kaboul,KPB etc i get sh*t loads of negative Rep.
The people who gave me the negative Rep obviously don't like hearing the truth.
I am a die hard Tottenham fan and if i have an opinion about a player i should be able to express my views without getting negative Rep all the time.

paul_m2k5 · Jul 8, 2008

Phil_2.0 said:
Jenas hate is so dull.

I hate to use such hyperbole but when you say players like Jenas are rubbish you don't really understand football.

Hes very consistent, which is what you want from a central midfielder. Central midfield is not a place where you want someone to be great for a bit then below par for the rest of the time. Jenas is consistently good, he never loses the game for you at all, barely gives the ball away and never vacates the midfield area too early i.e. getting too far ahead of the ball leaving you prone to counter attack.

Hes been a common theme in our side the last 3 seasons thats seen us finish 5th twice and a league cup win, and its not a co-incidence. He and Carrick were one of the best partnerships in the league and hes had to put up with playing with an awful Lennon and a Limited Zokora, lets see what he can do with the electric modric next to him.

Jenas hate from fans is rubbish just because he isn't fat like Tom Huddlestone who can admittedly pass it 70 yards then 2 minutes later give the ball away in his own half on a 15 yard square ball. Thats just the old archaic spurs mentality of "Attack Attack Attack" and "I would rather lose 5-4 than win 1-0".

Nice Article.:clap:

mitch8the8spur · Jul 8, 2008

jj = better than zokora

paul_m2k5 · Jul 8, 2008

mitch8the8spur said:
jj = better than zokora

Well said mate
Here's some Positive Rep.

joey55 · Jul 8, 2008

I thin part of JJ's problem is that he gets unfarily compared to Gerarrd and Lampard, yet they don't have the responsibilities JJ has. If you look at the CM stats for Chelsea and Liverpool, compared to ours, you'll observe a crucial difference. Lampard and Gerarrd both top all the attacking stats, but the two key defensive stats are topped by the teams DMs.

Gerrard and Lampard have both made the most passes and assists, created the most chances and scored the most goals for their sides. Jj has done the same in each category for us. However the key difference is that at Chelsea the player who makes the most tackles and interceptions is Obi Mikel (89 and 42). At Liverpool Mascaherano (165 and 67) makes the most interceptions and tackles (double Gerrard's total). Yet at Spurs, JJ top both our interceptions and tackling stats (92 and 58). So whilst Gerarrd and Lampard aren't their teams key central midfield ball winner, JJ has to do that job for us aswell.

I'm not saying that he's on a par with the likes of Lampard or Gerarrd, but that any criticism of him is ridiculous when you see how much more he does for the team than our other CMs.

Phil_2.0 · Jul 8, 2008

well said above.

i have no idea where people get this idea that he is lazy or too nonchalant. He really works hard off the ball to make runs and to close down, he has far much more work to do that Gerrard or Lampard defensively, i bet Jenas would have loved to have played in a 3 man midfield where one of the midfielders jobs is solely to defend in makelele. Its far more difficult to play in a 4 man midfield than a tight 3, especially when you have to cover for wingers like lennon.

DC_Boy · Jul 8, 2008

paul_m2k5 said:
Well said mate
Here's some Positive Rep.

Hi Paul - i've just given you some positive rep

I think it's the first time for me as normally I'm not really into the repping game (I've never given negative rep and never will - I just use 'ignore' for that kind of stuff)

I'm doing this because if people are neg repping you for giving honest opinions then that's wrong - of course I doon't know how you're expressing your opinions but I do know you're like me a fellow JJ supporter - so here's some rep for that

paul_m2k5 · Jul 8, 2008

DC_Boy said:
Hi Paul - i've just given you some positive rep

I think it's the first time for me as normally I'm not really into the repping game (I've never given negative rep and never will - I just use 'ignore' for that kind of stuff)

I'm doing this because if people are neg repping you for giving honest opinions then that's wrong - of course I doon't know how you're expressing your opinions but I do know you're like me a fellow JJ supporter - so here's some rep for that

Top Man.:clap:

Forums

What's new

Matches

Sportsbook

Members

The Jermaine Jenas Hijack Thread

David Ginola

Well-Known Member

New Member

Bazinga...

YP Lee's Spiritual Guide

Active Member

Yes so people do think i am god like..

New Member

Yes so people do think i am god like..

New Member

Yes so people do think i am god like..

Well-Known Member

New Member

New Member

Yes so people do think i am god like..

New Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

New Member

New Member

Similar threads