Match Threads Burnley Vs Spurs

[TonyS]

Only a few hrs ago I said I had no fears that he’d quit in the summer, then these quotes. That said, let’s all settle down a bit. He’s an emotional guy but if he does quit now, then he can fuck right off. He gets a barrel load of money, he’s loved here, he had to have known the deal when he arrived and to suddenly bale when things go sideways, cmon!!

 

[JAYSTAR]

The issue is plain and simply the very poor wingbacks. The fact they can't control the ball, or beat a man one on one, means that every team sets up to crowd the wing back as soon as the ball goes wide. 4 burnley players consistently targeted Royal. He is completely out of his depth and has absolutely no chance of improving. The system relies on the wingbacks beating players one on one, overlapping and either crossing or appearing in the box near the far post.
Sessegnon is shockingly poor and floats the ball in rather than crossing. Royal cannot really cross at all and always comes back in side and lays the ball back for a midfielder to cross it in. Neither wingback really gets behind the oppo full back. We simply cannot play this system as long as we don't have the wingbacks to do the job! Conte is being stubborn and blind if he thinks there will ever be a different outcome. Against City and other top teams, we can counter attack through the middle and utilise our best players to score. Against most other teams, they will keep on employing the press and stealing possession constantly. Romero Hojbjerg and Bentankur were all giving the ball away consistently as well, so that meant we were losing our fitness advantage because we had to keep chasing back from one end to the other. Conte needs to take responsibility and play 352 at least, or probably best 433 so we can dominate the midfield and so the oppo can't just push us wide every time.

 

[DiamondLites]

A really deflating result and performance, sucks the vibe out of the club following the euphoria of Saturday. Too many of our players are not good enough and frankly too thick, which is highlighted against sides set up to stop us first and foremost. Both wing backs were shocking, playing Emerson against these sort of teams is basically playing with 10 men such is his ineptitude going forward. Sessengnon I still couldn’t tell you what he is good at after 3 years with us, looks overawed

 

[DenverSpur]

We lost that because of bad defending/planning at set pieces and ill discipline.

We kept leaving the man at the back post free. Burnley had two freekicks prior to the goal where that man got a head on it, a warning to us, did we do anything about it? Of course not. Then the goal Romero half tried to mark him and got in a mess trying to charge across plus get the flight of the ball. After the goal they then had another chance in exactly the same way they should have scored from, where the far side unmarked man gets a free header.

Appalling organisation, especially not to change it. But it's also braindead to give away several cheap free kicks in prime crossing positions second half. You know Burnley want set pieces, we obliged.

As for what we do with the ball, we have the same problems every week that aren't getting rectified this season. Lack of wheels and quality in the wide areas, and lack of players who can operate comfortably between the lines in tight spaces and make killer actions. Any team that restricts space and is tough to break down, we're going to struggle at the moment because we simply don't have the weapons to break them down.

In over 60 years following Spurs a recurring error is giving away unnecessary free kicks in our final third. It’s like it’s in our DNA.
Agree entirely about the organization. At every corner or set piece Burnley have Mee is one of the main men they look for. For Romero to leave him in space unmarked at the back post is nothing short of criminal.
Hats off to Burnley though. They are a very stubborn well organized team and we don’t move the ball quick enough nor put the ball in danger areas first time. Always need an extra touch which is costly against well organized defense. Case in point was Son at the end of the first half failing to pass to Kane in space when he had the opportunity. The extra touch and the pass was gone.

 

[DenverSpur]

Incredibly poor, we need significant changes to the squad. Far too many players who are just sub-standard and not anywhere near top 4 quality!

Davies, Sessegnon, Emerson, PEH, Winks, Lucas all are just not good enough and should be upgraded immediately.

That’s going to be difficult with no transfer window.

 

[DenverSpur]

Last time I looked the conditions were the same for both teams.

We were alright second half, whilst looking pretty blunt, should have been a 0-0. The problem is we’re just a naive team. The absolute #1 thing you don’t do against Burnley, in those conditions, is give away cheap free kicks from out wide that they can whip into the mixer. In the space of five minutes, Sess, Kulusevski and Hojbjerg gave away 3 of these free kicks away and Lo and behold, they scored.

Romero was really poor for the goal but it would also have been nice for Hugo to come off his line a bit and help out.

Our small window of opportunity for this season is getting smaller each week.

When Hugo sees Mee is going to win the ball he has to be moving to his left as Mee is going to head it back the way it came. Instead he’s motionless.

 

[shelfboy68]

In over 60 years following Spurs a recurring error is giving away unnecessary free kicks in our final third. It’s like it’s in our DNA.
Agree entirely about the organization. At every corner or set piece Burnley have Mee is one of the main men they look for. For Romero to leave him in space unmarked at the back post is nothing short of criminal.
Hats off to Burnley though. They are a very stubborn well organized team and we don’t move the ball quick enough nor put the ball in danger areas first time. Always need an extra touch which is costly against well organized defense. Case in point was Son at the end of the first half failing to pass to Kane in space when he had the opportunity. The extra touch and the pass was gone.

So true but after the freakish and exciting win on Saturday it's so nice to have the real Tottenham back don't you think.

 

[Smokinhotspur]

Only a few hrs ago I said I had no fears that he’d quit in the summer, then these quotes. That said, let’s all settle down a bit. He’s an emotional guy but if he does quit now, then he can fuck right off. He gets a barrel load of money, he’s loved here, he had to have known the deal when he arrived and to suddenly bale when things go sideways, cmon!!

Agree unless there is more going on behind the scenes at the club than he is letting on as these media rants have been building for a few weeks now.

This has to be a case of saying calm down, forget top four and get us through to the end of the season in the best position possible. Then he has to be promised major funds to mark the start of a major overhaul of the squad as it is abundantly clear what the problem is.

Given how bad we were when he joined, I would have thought that would have been the message which is why I have been so baffled by all the talk of games in hand and top 4. My view has always been that this season is a write off as the majority of our squad are either poor footballers, feeble mentally or a combination of both.

 

[HW61]

I feel strangely calm. Like you say, I can see the similarities in Klopps first season and what we keep getting told is that for us and Conte, it's all about next season. If he's backed, then we'll hopefully see some progression. Right now, 8th is about right, I genuinely don't think we're that good , your eyes don't lie! West Ham, Arsenal and United are all better teams ( although I do see West Ham faltering with Europe still). Europa League would be a decent for us, sadly.

This is the following day sense check. Look at the players. There’s an awful lot in that first team selection who are average to actually quite poor. Conte can only play with the tools he has available right now. He’s only just turned up. I’m sure he’d love to have dynamic wing backs for a start. On both sides it’s very poor.

I actually see team sheet and groan. Been such along time since I felt like that.

I really hope Conte can sort it coz if we break him who else would want to risk ruining their reputation. Quite damning on the Spurs Infrastruture.

 

[stevenqoz]

The issue is plain and simply the very poor wingbacks. The fact they can't control the ball, or beat a man one on one, means that every team sets up to crowd the wing back as soon as the ball goes wide. 4 burnley players consistently targeted Royal. He is completely out of his depth and has absolutely no chance of improving. The system relies on the wingbacks beating players one on one, overlapping and either crossing or appearing in the box near the far post.
Sessegnon is shockingly poor and floats the ball in rather than crossing. Royal cannot really cross at all and always comes back in side and lays the ball back for a midfielder to cross it in. Neither wingback really gets behind the oppo full back. We simply cannot play this system as long as we don't have the wingbacks to do the job! Conte is being stubborn and blind if he thinks there will ever be a different outcome. Against City and other top teams, we can counter attack through the middle and utilise our best players to score. Against most other teams, they will keep on employing the press and stealing possession constantly. Romero Hojbjerg and Bentankur were all giving the ball away consistently as well, so that meant we were losing our fitness advantage because we had to keep chasing back from one end to the other. Conte needs to take responsibility and play 352 at least, or probably best 433 so we can dominate the midfield and so the oppo can't just push us wide every time.

Absolutely agree with all said here. Royal's skillset is very low level, poor touch, no real pace, can't beat a man on the inside or the outside. Hesitates rather crossing the ball early (a bit like Walker at the end of his time with us). That ever Doherty would be considered in the position is a testament to how bad Royal is. To me, we are partly at fault with Sess. He came to us a swashbuckling runner and has not progressed at all.
A definition of insanity is continually doing the same thing without change. The Citeh game aside (532) we have generally played 343 to our detriment. We desperately need that third central midfielder the 352 affords

 

[Dennism]

What about the desire and hunger from the players, that seems to be omitted from your post. They had more energy, more passion and desire to get stuck in than we did.

Every team has more desire and passion than ours.

 

[Serpico]

When the weather is bad it's a leveller. Burnley can resort to type, getting free kicks and trying to score from set pieces as this is simple and affective in all weathers. We do not have that basic instinct. We are unable to revert to a plan B and can only play as we believe we can which is trying to play football. We have now seen us lose three games when the conditions have been piss poor. We need to learn to play all conditions.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Every team has more desire and passion than ours.

Tell that to Man City fans.

 

[wadewill]

When the weather is bad it's a leveller. Burnley can resort to type, getting free kicks and trying to score from set pieces as this is simple and defective in all weathers. We do not have that basic instinct. We are unable to revert to a plan B and can only play as we believe we can which is trying to play football. We have now seen us lose three games when the conditions have been piss poor. We need to learn to play all conditions.

Exactly this, its a lame excuse in a way but that weather was awful and made it a 50/50 game. Burnley didnt look likely to score from open play, we looked only slightly more likely. Then it came down to set pieces, we hit the bar, they scored. Most teams would have struggled with that last night.

No way can you bracket that with the Southampton and Wolves game, which I've just realised it was raining for too, there's our problem... rain.

 

[mpickard2087]

In over 60 years following Spurs a recurring error is giving away unnecessary free kicks in our final third. It’s like it’s in our DNA.
Agree entirely about the organization. At every corner or set piece Burnley have Mee is one of the main men they look for. For Romero to leave him in space unmarked at the back post is nothing short of criminal.
Hats off to Burnley though. They are a very stubborn well organized team and we don’t move the ball quick enough nor put the ball in danger areas first time. Always need an extra touch which is costly against well organized defense. Case in point was Son at the end of the first half failing to pass to Kane in space when he had the opportunity. The extra touch and the pass was gone.

To be honest I think it was more system failure for us, than individual error. Pretty sure Romero (or whoever was the "last man" on the end of our defensive line) was just doing his instruction and standing where he was supposed to. After a couple of set pieces where the ball had gone there, for the goal if you look he is actually preoccupied by that point with Mee and inching over that way, suggesting he knows he should really go out to him, but obviously was torn between that and "the system". In the end he's only really halfway, and in the process of trying to get across loses the flight of the ball, and........

I don't know whether it was something Burnley saw in our set piece defending and planned for it, or their players called it on the fly during the game, but we didn't respond. We had two warnings, then the goal, and then even the scramble to go 2-0 up the front post flick on was met yet again by Mee arriving at the back post unmarked. I think that's pretty disappointing really, top level sport is full of fine margins and small marginal gains you have to manage. Where Burnley were getting the upper hand, we did nothing about it. As I said last night in a post, expect a bit more from Conte - or any other professional football manager to be honest - in stuff like this. For me near the top of the list for why football managers get paid the big bucks is to be able to notice detail and react to small/minute things in games. If me in my armchair can see a problem and see something needs to be done, one of the professionals in the dugout should definitely have also.



Also having seen the goal again this morning, for how far and high that ball travels relative to where it lands.... Where the fuck is our goalkeeper?

 

[Serpico]

Exactly this, its a lame excuse in a way but that weather was awful and made it a 50/50 game. Burnley didnt look likely to score from open play, we looked only slightly more likely. Then it came down to set pieces, we hit the bar, they scored. Most teams would have struggled with that last night.

No way can you bracket that with the Southampton and Wolves game, which I've just realised it was raining for too, there's our problem... rain.

Our problem is , we believe we’re better than we are. When conditions are poor you need to revert to affective football stop all the fancy stuff. Overall I felt we kept control without Penetrating . They didn’t threaten us at all. How many free kicks did they fashion because they were looking for them in areas that would benefit. They taught us a lesson on how to be effective but as we are Tottenham we believe we’re above that.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

And the Champions had no plan B against us a few days ago. It's a non comment.

Bit of a difference when they scored 2 goals.
But if you want to compare us to man city, continue to bury your head in the sand.

 

[PLTuck]

Bit of a difference when they scored 2 goals.
But if you want to compare us to man city, continue to bury your head in the sand.

Strawman much?

I was pointing out that no team has a plan B, so saying we have no plan B is a completely pointless comment.

 

[Serpico]

When the weather is rough the football needs to be effective . Stick it in the box and see what happens.

 

[mrlilywhite]

What about the desire and hunger from the players, that seems to be omitted from your post. They had more energy, more passion and desire to get stuck in than we did.

'I don't know, you could and should look at the quality of players and see it there, or lack off' - I mentioned them - def didn't omit them from my post. Tbh player's efforts or lack of can sometimes be hidden behind a wall of tactical instruction. For all I know, Conte might have said to them don't press high up the pitch, or it might be a complete lack of effort. The players for sure aren't good enough, but we keep on harping about the players like it's been the same set since Poch left, but it's not, is it? Yeah for sure there are still some remnants left over from Poch - like Winks, Dier, Hugo, Kane & Son - but we've added so many more since then, that it can only be one or two things - The manager(s) or our shit scouting (my thoughts are on the latter tbh). It does come down to a combination of just about everything - Top to bottom at the club needs massive improvement.