Ratings vs Arsenal

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  1. Lloris

    85 vote(s)
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  2. Rose

    11 vote(s)
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  3. Verts

    3 vote(s)
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  4. Kaboul

    385 vote(s)
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  5. Naughton

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  6. Capoue

    6 vote(s)
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  7. Mason

    11 vote(s)
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  8. Lamela

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  9. Eriksen

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  10. Chadli

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  11. Adebayor

    2 vote(s)
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  12. Lennon

    1 vote(s)
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  13. Bentaleb

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  14. Dier

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  1. Mr Pink

    Mr Pink SC Supporter

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    yet poch was happy with the performance, you're wrong bc that it was implenented piss poorly...might not of been perfect, but piss poorly was always wrong.
     
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  2. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

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    Apologies for giving you something you couldn't respond to. Noted.
     
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  3. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

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    Oh so now you're calling Poch a liar?
     
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  4. CowInAComa

    CowInAComa Well-Known Member

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    erm... how to say this...

    might have been the plan?
     
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  5. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

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    First half there was an issue at times with someone picking the ball up between the lines, for the second half though I thought the cm2 cut that space down, and everything they did went wide. I think you have to give our defensive shape (particularly the back four and the two centre mids) some credit.
     
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  6. SteveH

    SteveH BSoDL candidate for SW London

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    They huffed and puffed a lot for the home team as well.
    Good news my normal crap aptitude for picking new players is on song, I really wanted Welbeck.
     
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  7. Blake Griffin

    Blake Griffin Well-Known Member

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    no pink. if you're not winning the possession, you're not doing it right. end of :headphone:
     
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  8. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    I love Wenger the coach, but Wenger the tactician is 3rd world. His choice of players and application of them makes AVB seem like a genius. His coaching has insured CL football for two decades but his tactical nous has insured no serious title challenge and one trophy in the last several.

    Arteta ? Ramsey in the CM2, Welbeck, Wilshere or OC where Ozil, Cazorla and Sanchez should be ?
     
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  9. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    We knew we were never going to score if we had the ball so we made sure to pass to a red shirt as much as we could.
     
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  10. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

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    Very true and I have said as much for the past few years, it's why so many Arsenal fans are so torn with how they feel towards Wenger at the moment, they know that with him, they are not likely to win the league, but they cant bring themselves to say "Wenger out!"
     
  11. Bus-Conductor

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    It's amazing how when it suits me newspaper platitudes are "garbage" or "disingenuously misunderstood" but when they suit you they are an insightful expose of truth.


    He was muttering platitudes. "We had a plan, tough place to play, we got a point blah blah". Would you expect him to say much else ? No you wouldn't, unless I'd said it.

    Why do you believe the journalist was making up about Pochettino shouting at Eriksen to target and press Arteta ? I would imagine he didn't want Ramsey or Wilshere being given time on the ball either. He'd be a loon if he didn't ?

    We all saw him looking vexed just about every time the camera panned on him. We saw Chadli look round expecting others and looking puzzled when there weren't. We saw Capoue imploring people to move up.

    Isn't it most likely that we did have plan (who doesn't apart from Tim and Harry ?) but he was getting irate because our forward 3/4 weren't performing their part of it very well ?


    I can buy the "we had a plan" bit, what I'm struggling with is BG/MrP trying to say he had deliberately instructed Adebayor, Eriksen and Chadli to stroll around doing fuck all when Arsenal had the ball.


    Even if Pochettino says "we had a plan" that doesn't mean that these ideas are vindicated. It means Wenger was tactically inept and was ill-equipped to capitalise on our poor application of Pochettino's plan.

    These "containment" plans rarely involve your front 3 or 4 being passengers without the ball.

    If by some miracle this is the case, and the journo who heard him imploring Eriklsen to press better is just a weird a conspiracy theorist, and what I and others saw of the likes of Chadli looking bewildered when going to press that others weren't following, then fair enough. But even then I'll still think it's a shit "plan" poorly executed.
     
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  12. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

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    You've lost the fucking plot @Bus-Conductor

    A shadow of your former self.
     
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  13. ClintEastwould

    ClintEastwould Well-Known Member

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    That's the seed of this argument bc. You cannot for the life of you give credit it to the performance because you have already decided its a shit plan. If it's so shit, why have we finally scored and gotten a point after getting beat in 3 straight derbys with our last 4 visits to the emirates an accumulative 13-4 score in favor of then. I mean FFS you thought we had performed well against Liverpool, a game we lost 3 nil at home! Your entire justification over your view of that game was based upon possession and passing stats. Own up for once, you just cannot for the life of you enjoy a game of football unless we have the majority of the ball. Pochetinno himself said we needed to stay compact and you are still questioning the legitimacy of the plan. Sure we didn't carry it out to perfection, because if we did we'd probably have run out 2-0 winners, but when does it all ever go all according to plan.
     
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  14. Blake Griffin

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    what part of this are you failing to comprehend?
     
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  15. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    The joking about possession aside, is there anyone here who thinks our pressing inside our own half was up to scratch?
     
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  16. Blake Griffin

    Blake Griffin Well-Known Member

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    to know whether it was up to scratch you need to know how much and how high they were instructed to press. poch said the plan was to sit deep and win the ball in the defensive line, that's exactly what we did. if he'd said the plan was to press from the front then we failed miserably but he didn't say that, so ...
     
  17. jonathanhotspur

    jonathanhotspur Loose Cannon

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    Do you think that pressing only takes place in the opposition's half, BG?
     
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  18. Blake Griffin

    Blake Griffin Well-Known Member

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    do you think that pressing is an obligation?
     
  19. Spurs_Bear

    Spurs_Bear Well-Known Member

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    As mentioned in my long response to Beece, I think it was more of a 'set' than a press. In which case, it was satisfactory ish.
     
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  20. Bus-Conductor

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    Most of it really.

    We weren't very compact until they were bearing down on our 18 yard line after walking past the two front lines. That isn't being compact and if Wenger had played his proper players in proper places it would have been catastrophic, as that plan has been the other 16 or so years we tried it.

    And maybe you can explain what he actually means "to receive the ball in the defensive line" ?

    Are you saying you still think the idea is for 6 people ahead of the defence not to press or tackle anyone but to wait until they reach our defence ? Is that what you think the plan was ? Or what he is saying the plan was ?

    If so was Lamela disobeying Pochettino's orders ? because he was running around like a busy ****.

    Surely we were better off trying to win the ball back a little sooner and catch them with their pants down (like, you know, the goal we scored) rather than have the likes of Vertonghen running the length of the pitch only to find no one else could be arsed to run that far with him.

    Seriously ? You still really believe the plan was to not tackle at all until the "defensive line" ?
     
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