The let's not fire our manager thread
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parklane1
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Since KB quit in 1984 we have had 16 ( not counting caretaker managers) managers and is one of the main reasons we have struggled, we need stabilty to ever achieve what we all want, and yet there are some who want to sack yet ANOTHER manager and start all over again. MADNESS.
dontcallme
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Stability doesn't just come from the manager.
Levy has put a strong system in place to ensure consistent growth. This system has allowed continual progress on recruitment for the first team.
In the last two summer windows we've bought the French goalkeeper, Ajax captain, German under 21 captain, Brazilian international who shone at the last tournament, one of the best goalscorers in La Liga, spent £30m on of the most highest rated youngsters in Europe as well as the other solid players we've bought.
As a result the manager is under pressure to achieve. He has a squad that has beared the fruits of this labour and he has to produce.
So far I think he has. Last season he got our record points total and this season results-wise we are doing better than last season.
Levy has given us stability in every way other than keeping the same manager.
Levy has put a strong system in place to ensure consistent growth. This system has allowed continual progress on recruitment for the first team.
In the last two summer windows we've bought the French goalkeeper, Ajax captain, German under 21 captain, Brazilian international who shone at the last tournament, one of the best goalscorers in La Liga, spent £30m on of the most highest rated youngsters in Europe as well as the other solid players we've bought.
As a result the manager is under pressure to achieve. He has a squad that has beared the fruits of this labour and he has to produce.
So far I think he has. Last season he got our record points total and this season results-wise we are doing better than last season.
Levy has given us stability in every way other than keeping the same manager.
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crokey
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Top clubs in England most of the last 5-10 years:
City - $$$
Chelsea - $$$
United - SAF
Arsenal - Wenger
Since we dont have the $$$, we need a SAF or a Wenger. I have never seen anything to think AVB can't be that. All the evidence points towards sticking with him.
City - $$$
Chelsea - $$$
United - SAF
Arsenal - Wenger
Since we dont have the $$$, we need a SAF or a Wenger. I have never seen anything to think AVB can't be that. All the evidence points towards sticking with him.
parklane1
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I agree about Levy, since he took over we have been climbing upwards, however IF we were to sack AVB a new manager would/could want his own players and we are back where we started again. Avb has 9 new players ( if you count Townsend and Rose) and we should wait and see how the season finishes before we start panicking.
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This thread is stupid.
I frankly don't understand why we haven't sacked everybody already.
And I mean everybody so I hope Joyce the tea lady isn't getting comfortable. It's clear she lacks the necessary technical ability to work with a 4-3-3 teapot and frankly she needs to be dismissed as soon as possible.
I frankly don't understand why we haven't sacked everybody already.
And I mean everybody so I hope Joyce the tea lady isn't getting comfortable. It's clear she lacks the necessary technical ability to work with a 4-3-3 teapot and frankly she needs to be dismissed as soon as possible.
Time for Heroes
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I mean sometimes i see a post and think, what possessed you to type that?
a 4-3-3 teapot?
Heads gone
dontcallme
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I agree that we shouldn't be thinking about changing AVB right now. Not simply because he hasn't had enough time but because he is doing a good job.
If he'd been doing a bad job since taking over I'd be thinking we should be looking to fire. He can't expect time if he isn't producing.
The next manager can't simply be someone with a great CV. Levy needs to look at a manager who wants the same types of player as what we have now. That way there'll be less player changes.
One criticism I have of Levy is his hiring policy of DOF's and head coaches.
I remember when Arnesen took over. A big thing was made about how we were implementing the 433 throughout our entire team from youth to the 1st team. We bought players to fit this and Jol and Arnesen were on the same page.
Arnesen left and Commolli was appointed who had completely different ideas and the ideas implemented by Arnesen never bore fruit.
Ramos was hired who wanted more technical players, he was fired and HR took over who brought in a tough centre now AVB is here and we've done even more deals. There's been no continuity.
Swansea have been very smart in that respect. They hired Martinez who likes high possession football and players confident on the ball. Since him they've hired Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers and Laudrup who all like the same. They've had excellent continuity despite several manager changes.
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I'm from the critical of AVB but don't want him sacked camp. He's going to be a world class manager when he's older but he's going to have to make a lot of mistakes and learn from them to get there.
I'd say that his positives are that he's young with plenty of potential, very confident and has already got experience winning shiny things. He's got experience at a big club which went very wrong but he at least knows the hard parts of football management too. I love his team defensive tactics with the highline pressing game and sweeper keeper. There's not many other teams in the world do it as well as us now and we've seen it really come together this season, even despite the fact some of our defenders haven't been ideal for the system. He appears to be fairly innovative and takes a detailed and interesting approach to training. All up and coming teams are properly researched and training sessions adapted accordingly. When we've had defensive problems on the pitch (e.g conceding very late goals) training sessions have been adapted to improve those parts of our play (raising the intensity of the defensive session at the end of training when the players are exhausted to improve concentration). He is in himself a bit of a brand and is popular with a number of very famous players which gives us some pulling power in the transfer market. Finally (from whats's on the top of my head anyway) there appears to be a very clear connection and understanding between manager, chairman and director of football. The seems to be a clear plan for the club alongside our shiny new world class training facilities, strong academy and up and coming stadium.
The negatives....the trophies he won with Porto involved an insanely good Porto side playing in a weak league and a cup not taken seriously by the big boys, so they don't necessarily mean the guy is the dogs bollocks. He failed to get the squad onside with him at Chelsea and showed a willingness to excommunicate certain popular members of the squad despite it pissing off the rest of the club. That worries me a little bit seeing the somewhat cloudy situations with BAE and Adebayor. I'm not really too worried by minor tiffs in the squad as on the whole we seem to have a good team spirit and lack the egos like Chelsea's. I'm just worried that if he isn't very successful this season the top class players in the side like Lloris and Verts may not feel the loyalty to him that we'll need to keep them going elsewhere.
The biggest problem's with AVB is that in general he is quite defensively minded and that mentality will cost him and hold him back until he learns from it. And that's the other issue, I'm not sure how well he learns. He seems to be very slow to change things that people on this site have been quite correctly calling out for weeks, months or hell even a whole year. I can't tell if he doesn't see the problems or does see them and is too stubborn to change. Either way it's already cost us this season, may well cost us in the future and despite me believing he will get it right I'm not too sure how much serious damage will be done to us before that happens. How vital is the point against Arsenal, a couple of points at Everton, three points against Newcastle and West Ham going to be come the season run in? Because if we do miss out on what we're aiming for it's going to be those points rather than the last few games that screw us.
The last issue would be that I'm slightly worried that the Chelsea experience scarred him. He seems unwilling to change things quickly and take the pain period to get to the next level. Lamela's barely played 60mins in 9 league games! Lloris was slow to come in to the side when he signed. Holtby and Erikson are both used with the utmost caution and even then never played together in the same side. I just wish he'd set out in pre-season exactly how he wanted to play and gone for it, the first few results be damned. But deep down I have this nagging worry that he did do that, from the very first game he managed at spurs.
I'd say that his positives are that he's young with plenty of potential, very confident and has already got experience winning shiny things. He's got experience at a big club which went very wrong but he at least knows the hard parts of football management too. I love his team defensive tactics with the highline pressing game and sweeper keeper. There's not many other teams in the world do it as well as us now and we've seen it really come together this season, even despite the fact some of our defenders haven't been ideal for the system. He appears to be fairly innovative and takes a detailed and interesting approach to training. All up and coming teams are properly researched and training sessions adapted accordingly. When we've had defensive problems on the pitch (e.g conceding very late goals) training sessions have been adapted to improve those parts of our play (raising the intensity of the defensive session at the end of training when the players are exhausted to improve concentration). He is in himself a bit of a brand and is popular with a number of very famous players which gives us some pulling power in the transfer market. Finally (from whats's on the top of my head anyway) there appears to be a very clear connection and understanding between manager, chairman and director of football. The seems to be a clear plan for the club alongside our shiny new world class training facilities, strong academy and up and coming stadium.
The negatives....the trophies he won with Porto involved an insanely good Porto side playing in a weak league and a cup not taken seriously by the big boys, so they don't necessarily mean the guy is the dogs bollocks. He failed to get the squad onside with him at Chelsea and showed a willingness to excommunicate certain popular members of the squad despite it pissing off the rest of the club. That worries me a little bit seeing the somewhat cloudy situations with BAE and Adebayor. I'm not really too worried by minor tiffs in the squad as on the whole we seem to have a good team spirit and lack the egos like Chelsea's. I'm just worried that if he isn't very successful this season the top class players in the side like Lloris and Verts may not feel the loyalty to him that we'll need to keep them going elsewhere.
The biggest problem's with AVB is that in general he is quite defensively minded and that mentality will cost him and hold him back until he learns from it. And that's the other issue, I'm not sure how well he learns. He seems to be very slow to change things that people on this site have been quite correctly calling out for weeks, months or hell even a whole year. I can't tell if he doesn't see the problems or does see them and is too stubborn to change. Either way it's already cost us this season, may well cost us in the future and despite me believing he will get it right I'm not too sure how much serious damage will be done to us before that happens. How vital is the point against Arsenal, a couple of points at Everton, three points against Newcastle and West Ham going to be come the season run in? Because if we do miss out on what we're aiming for it's going to be those points rather than the last few games that screw us.
The last issue would be that I'm slightly worried that the Chelsea experience scarred him. He seems unwilling to change things quickly and take the pain period to get to the next level. Lamela's barely played 60mins in 9 league games! Lloris was slow to come in to the side when he signed. Holtby and Erikson are both used with the utmost caution and even then never played together in the same side. I just wish he'd set out in pre-season exactly how he wanted to play and gone for it, the first few results be damned. But deep down I have this nagging worry that he did do that, from the very first game he managed at spurs.
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spud
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Women do. Usually those who haven't got a fucking clue what it means.
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Seen absolutely nothing to suggest he is as capable as Wenger or Ferguson, if you think you have you need to lay off the pipe
He probably isn't.
But neither Fergie nor Wenger had won a treble of league title, domestic cup and Europa League / UEFA Cup by the age of 33.
He's still three years younger than either of those managerial greats were when they won their first trophies as managers. No telling what he might achieve over the next ten years or more.
People would be calling for their sacking as well if they were here.
The Spurs Lad
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Tell that to Andre and his silly team selections.
The Spurs Lad
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That's just not a fair assumption to make at any level, any time. They also didn't have Falcao, Moutinho etc in a league far below their level.
Walter Smith went 2 games short of doing a quadruple with Rangers, O'Neil almost the same with Celtic, with significantly lower standard of players to Porto.
WiganSpur
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Dismissing him won't help us long term.
Effective and attractive football takes time. Ask Mancini that.
AVB is learning from Chelsea and is building from the back. We'll never get anywhere with a poor defence. Yes he can be indecisive and frustrating but let's just stick with a manager for once. He'll find our best team eventually and when he does more entertaining football will come.
Effective and attractive football takes time. Ask Mancini that.
AVB is learning from Chelsea and is building from the back. We'll never get anywhere with a poor defence. Yes he can be indecisive and frustrating but let's just stick with a manager for once. He'll find our best team eventually and when he does more entertaining football will come.
The Spurs Lad
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I am one of the most anti-AVB posters on here but I do agree with you. However I think where we differ is that I think he is long past finding our best team and actually thinks he has got it already, whereas you and most others think he is still trying to find it. Both scenarios then develop completely different backgrounds.
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I think if andre loses the next two games he may find some heat coming his way fron certain quarters.
The thing that concerns me the most is that I keep hearing that he is going to make mistakes as he is still learning blah blah but we are not a league one or two club where you can make mistakes in relative obscurity aware from the mass media and large top spending crowds cutting his teeth as it where
We are Tottenham hotspur a club which has been around the top four or five places for some time now but under avb I can only see us moving backwards as I'm not really sure he knows what it takes at the very top .
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If he loses his next two, which we know are tough games, then our chances of top 4 are a distant memory, so his position becomes exposed, which going by the general behaviour in the football world will see the probable departure of AVB.
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Who will be there to prove it?
