Dimitar Berbatov (Transfer Completed)

[bubble07]

I think if they offer 28m we will accept

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

£25m + Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo and I may consider it.

No Carrick?

 

[nickspurs]

I think if they offer 28m we will accept

Not a hope in hell.

a) Not enough even to sell to a foreign club
b) Even further away from an acceptable valuation of a team we will be competing with next year
c) Virtually impossible to have a defensible arguement about not being a selling club if we traded there. If it's say, £40M we can defensibly say "Well it was joke money, why wouldn't we?".

You can't underestimate the damage that would do to the club and our ability to carry out our strategy. It would make it impossible to say to top players who we're trying to bring in that we're competing with the best and that we can keep our best players. It will also make it permanent open season to any wealthy club who ever fancies our current star du jour.

 

[talkshowhost86]

No Carrick?

Yeah I suppose we'd accept him as well.

 

[eddiev14]

i take it you forget the 97/98 season when francis got sacked following a mauling against liverpool which left us in the bottom three, where our premiership status was only guaranteed after we won away at crystal palace at the beginning of may, where ginola was the only player who did anything of note all season while the team was dragged down by the likes of sinton, fox, edinburgh, berti and an injury prone front 3 threesome of iverson armstrong and ferdinand. yes, klinsmann came and scored 9 goals in half a season, and i love him for it, but 4 of those were in one game away to wimbledon (which i was at) an the last of those was in the last game at home after our status was already guaranteed.

not only was our premiership survival pretty much completley owing to ginola, but the only reason to go to spurs all season (and for two years afterwards) was to watch ginola.

Well said that man! I won't hear any bad words about Ginola. You're absolutely correct about that season. He kept us up, and also contributed by setting up a lot of Klinsmann's and scoring a lot of his own goals.

Then the next season we won our first trophy since 1991, and Ginola was instrumental in the whole season. So good he was that he was voted both Writers and PFA player of the year - and this was the year that United won the treble.

If that isn't enough, then simply watching the guy made up for the entrance fee and then some. Magical skills, magical goals, and a wonderful player.

That year Cuyff also rated him as the best player in Europe.

I know that he was with us for only a few seasons, but he's a legend in my eyes.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well said that man! I won't hear any bad words about Ginola. You're absolutely correct about that season. He kept us up, and also contributed by setting up a lot of Klinsmann's and scoring a lot of his own goals.

Then the next season we won our first trophy since 1991, and Ginola was instrumental in the whole season. So good he was that he was voted both Writers and PFA player of the year - and this was the year that United won the treble.

If that isn't enough, then simply watching the guy made up for the entrance fee and then some. Magical skills, magical goals, and a wonderful player.

That year Cuyff also rated him as the best player in Europe.

I know that he was with us for only a few seasons, but he's a legend in my eyes.

amen to that, friend, amen to that!

 

[SpurSince57]

Is this the most circular debate ever on Spurs Community?

 

[sashka]

you forgot to include the bulgarian football union, whose president has behaved quite disgracefully, introducing berbatov as winner of the player of the year by saying the words 'manchester united' before handing him the trophy.

it's a tremendous pressure to bear - the hopes and aspirations of an entire nation weigh heavily on berbatov, and i'm pleased you recognize that petyr, as some bg posters claim berba is a lightweight and other bg sportsmen are more lauded. they certainly aren't covered in the media to the same extent, which is akin to beckham proportions at it's height over here.



i've missed what eto'o said about spurs, but as far as i'm concerned good riddance, never wanted him, don't rate him, barca are trying to offload him, so what does that tell you about his current form. i'd have been outraged if we'd coughed up his wage demands - if true.

petyr, i'm intrigued by your analysis above of spurs standing as a club. let's look at the facts.
firstly, berba was at leverkusen for 5.5 years, a club not considered a 'giant' - your favourite word - amongst european football. was there constant agitation from bulgaria and danchev for him to move on whilst there. i still haven't found the definitive answer to this question, dan ashcroft says there was, but as i've posted before, in 5.5 seasons berba played only 154 matches scoring 69 goals, he's already played 101 matches for spurs over 2 seasons, and that's with a groin injury for part of the time. i think berba's career got off to a very slow start in germany, and in spite of appearing in the CL final in 2002, he was by no means a regular starter or first choice striker at leverkusen until his last 3 seasons there.

as for spurs standing as a club in bulgaria, i'm always amazed how chelski is seen as a 'giant' over there, which suggests there's not much grasp of history of english football overall. call me biased, maybe, but if roman got run over tomorrow and his estate called in the bluescum debt, that club would be instantly bankrupt. tottenham is an historic, well supported, stylish club to play for with a good reputation across europe. a pity bulgarian fans, the press and in particular the BFU don't recognize that fact. fashion is all puff petyr, and whilst the bg press might laud chelski as a 'gaint' it could all disappear tommorow just as quickly, like yesterday's old newspapers. :wink:

finally, let's look at berba's standing, and more importantly in bulgarian terms, his 'status' as a player bringing kudos to the country overseas.
well, undoubtedly he was known as a talented footballer by managers, commentators, insiders in the game, but not amongst the general population of european footie fans.
it is since his arrival at spurs, where he has both improved as a player and raised his profile considerably due to the wider popularity of the PL that he has become this famous bulgarian superstar that the nation celebrates and is so anxious about.

i remind you also, well not you petyr, the BFU etc etc that whilst with spurs he has WON his first ever trophy since he left CSKA Sofia. hardly a disaster, and a waste of time being at spurs is it. imo instead of being contemptuous about our club as danchev and some bg fans are, they should just take a measured look at those facts and weigh up what's best for berbatov rather than heaping endless pressure on him. if a move transpires, then so be it, i hope he's happy and successful, but if it doesn't, then the player himself has already stated months ago that he will be happy. it'll be a shame if a shower of disappointment and more agitation to still find another club is poured on his head, cos in the great scheme of things, spurs are considered a pretty good club, with a top manager, in sound financial circumstances, with a squad of improving players. not bad at all.


nb. sorry no caps, only one good hand to type with.

I bow to you Lily, I couldn't of put it better - I believe much of his personal pressure come from his agent (and I believe friend), Berbatov is his main client, for his own kudos he needs his client to have the highest profile, he has his own ego to feed and talk of clubs like RM and MU interested in his client massively increase his own profile too :-|

 

[Petyr]

BBC transfer rumours:

Barcelona are preparing a £25m bid for Tottenham's striker Dimitar Berbatov, who wants to leave White Hart Lane this summer. (Various).


Now, this is maybe bolocks. BUT if Barca sell Eto'o, they will have to sign a quality centre forward as they cannot rely only on Henry and Bojan. Benzema and Ibrahimovic are perhaps non-starters, Adebayor is unlikely, Berbatov may be the only realistic option.

 

[AngerManagement]

Skysports news claimed that Barca were confident of signing Berbatov after letting us have Dos Santos 'on the cheap'

I dont know if it was a story from a paper or what, there didn't seem to be any quotes.

 

[talkshowhost86]

To be honest if Berba has to go anywhere I'd really hope it was Barca. I've always liked Barca (especially since they beat the scum to the champions league) and signing Berbatov would also put Henry's nose out of joint even more which is always funny. The main thing though is that we wouldn't have to see him in the Premiership against us which would be hard to take.

I wouldn't be surprised if Berba's name came up in the Dos Santos discussions but we wouldn't have agreed to anything because we know there are other bids which could push the price up. Let Barca and United fight it out I say and push the price as high as possible.

 

[Petyr]

To be honest if Berba has to go anywhere I'd really hope it was Barca. I've always liked Barca (especially since they beat the scum to the champions league) and signing Berbatov would also put Henry's nose out of joint even more which is always funny. The main thing though is that we wouldn't have to see him in the Premiership against us which would be hard to take.

I wouldn't be surprised if Berba's name came up in the Dos Santos discussions but we wouldn't have agreed to anything because we know there are other bids which could push the price up. Let Barca and United fight it out I say and push the price as high as possible.

I think that Barca's bosses haven't missed the opportunity to aks about Berbatov's availability and price during the negotiations for Giovani as he may be a possible target for them. This is why I callled Berbatov a realistic option for them: I meant if they come to sign him, they will probably know how much they have to pay on the basis of the information they got during the negotiations about Santos. If they were told something like £35-40m, they wouldn't make an attempt to sign him imo.

But I find today's information about Barca's intention to make a bid made up. They don't know yet whether they will be able to sell Eto'o for te price they want. Maybe they aren't even sure whether it would be good for them to sell him. Milan are much more desperate to sign a striker than Barca.

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

i still think he will be at spurs next season but thats just my opinion.

 

[Bonjour]

It would make sense that Barcelona have been given first refusal for Berbatov.

The fee for Dos Santos was criminal.

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

It would make sense that Barcelona have been given first refusal for Berbatov.

The fee for Dos Santos was criminal.

The fee was not that bad for an unproven player in the prem.

 

[sidford]

It would make sense that Barcelona have been given first refusal for Berbatov.

The fee for Dos Santos was criminal.

the fee was down to a bit of good negotiating on our part and barca werent very happy with him because of his love of clubs/nights out and the fact that he demanded a big pay rise when he broke into the first team squad there so they wanted to sell him

 

[mil1lion]

Sorry but i dont see why people have it under the impression that Barca want Berbatov. He's certainly not at the top of their list of transfer targets. Their number one target this summer will be David Villa. We all know how good Berbatov has been for Spurs, but he isn't seen in the same light by the top clubs in Europe. He's rated highly, but not worth more than £20m in most peoples eyes. That for me is the reason Berbatov is likely to stay with Spurs. He isn't worth £25m or more, which is what is being reported. On top of that, we're not likely to sell for £25m anyway. We wont sell him for less than £30m in my opinion. Levy will play hardball on this one because, unlike Carrick, Berbatov is under a long term contract. The fact is, we wont sign a player like Berbatov until we make the Champions League, and Levy knows it. We have a player of Champions League quality and i cant see us let him go. If Man Utd want him, they'll be ripped off big time. Mark my words.

£30m plus Foster or £40m. Deal or no deal?

 

[Bonjour]

The fee was not that bad for an unproven player in the prem.

A lot more has been paid for players of lesser reputation who are equally unproven in the prem.

 

[Bonjour]

the fee was down to a bit of good negotiating on our part and barca werent very happy with him because of his love of clubs/nights out and the fact that he demanded a big pay rise when he broke into the first team squad there so they wanted to sell him

That's fair enough, but do you honestly not think they could not have got a bit more for him offering him to other clubs? There are Portuguese clubs that would have been more than willing to pay more for him than we did.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Is this the most circular debate ever on Spurs Community?

difficult not to be when theres such a circular feed of trash from the media regarding dimi