Honestly your expectations of footballers are ridiculous, I do not know if you were once a budding pro or secretly u are Glenn but footballers are human not robots, not only that but there are 11 (sometimes 10) opposition trying to stop u playing. If we were as good as you seem to want each individual to be we'd be better than barca and rm. I don't know maybe it's my view on things that are wrong but to me it looks like you need to get some perspective. (I agree with your Eriksen comment).The Ghost AVB Past
That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.
For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.
It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.
Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.
KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.
Individual
Lloris - Par
KWP - Very good debut.
Alderweireld - OK
Vertonghen - OK
Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.
Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.
Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.
Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.
Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.
Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.
Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.
The Ghost AVB Past
That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.
For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.
It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.
Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.
KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.
Individual
Lloris - Par
KWP - Very good debut.
Alderweireld - OK
Vertonghen - OK
Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.
Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.
Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.
Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.
Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.
Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.
Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.
How do we keep Barca away from Christian??I'm not sure where to post this as the Christian Eriksen thread is locked for some reason (mods?). But it needs to be posted. What a player!
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Christian Eriksen has now recorded 12 assists in 2017; more than any other player in Europe's top 5 leagues.
How do we keep Barca away from Christian??
I was all set to agree with you until the old guff about Janssen. Guff.
The Ghost AVB Past
That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.
For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.
It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.
Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.
KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.
Individual
Lloris - Par
KWP - Very good debut.
Alderweireld - OK
Vertonghen - OK
Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.
Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.
Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.
Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.
Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.
Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.
Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.
I have to stop you there. You are making a bad situation worse.I think the point I am labouring is that if Janssen has a game like that (missing sitters etc) it's "he's shit" but if Kane does it's "Kane having an off day". In terms of their all round game play there's really not much in it, and I reckon in this team if played every week Janssen would probably hit 20 goals a season. Kane will hit 25-29 though and that's why he's rightly first choice, but I think Janssen is an ok back up until we can afford to spend £50m and pay the sort of wages to convince another top quality striker to sit on our bench.
I have to stop you there. You are making a bad situation worse.
Agree in the most part but would point out Alli's key involvement in goal number 2 and also Kane's involvement in both. My point? Even when bumbling (and I agree they were, especially Dele) they are difference makers.
Also, Benitez is a cock. He sends out players with the clear remit of winding up Dele and roughing us up, then says Kane should have seen red? Kane's tackle was perfect and shouldn't have even been a free kick, never mind a booking. We'd be applauding that challenge 20 years ago.
Im sorry but last season we had plenty of incisive play. We ripped many a team to fucking shreds.The Ghost AVB Past
That was a carbon copy of many performances last season (Everton in last season's opener springs to mind. Very reminiscent of AVB's season where we would be very, very methodical, lots of possession, little tempo or wit, until Bale did something special, for Bale supplant Alli today.
For me, the next natural evolution for Poch is to manage to introduce more energy and bravery into our midfield, bringing with it some much needed tempo, incision and risk, but manage to coach that into the system, keeping cohesion and defensive discipline. I don't mean full Guardiola, or even full Klopp, all out blitz, but the balance has to shift a little away from the enormously risk averse 2 from 3 of Dembele, Wanyama and Dier, toward one of those (preferably Wanyama) and a more metronomic quick thinking, dynamic option. Or give the one formation he hasn't tried yet, 433 a go.
It was like the season had never ended really, lots of the same good and bad from last season. I know a reasonably unambitious bus park can stifle and be hard to get behind, but Dier and Dembele just does not help and is an unnecessary doubling-up of risk averse cautiousness. The passing goes to the safest option, in Dembele's case often after several touches. Alli was fucking atrocious apart from the goal, which showed his trade mark clever movement and good finish. I just do not buy the whole "it's the sloppy crap that makes him who he is" bollocks. I really can't see an uber club tolerating 80% of what he does, unless they convert to an all out second striker role, which is pretty much what he is for us most of the time effectively.
Eriksen was, as he often is, the real difference maker, 61 passes is great for an AM, but he manages to include the most sublime pass of the game in that tally, which opened up the obdurate defence that had become even less ambitious down to ten men. As he mostly is, our MOTM.
KWP had a very competent debut, there's more to come from this kid in an attacking and play game play sense, but as a debut, this was pretty much foot perfect, defensively sound and offensively supportive, stuck in a couple of decent crosses too and if our CM's could bypass A and go straight to option B, we might have seen more of him offensively as he was constantly in acres of space second half.
Individual
Lloris - Par
KWP - Very good debut.
Alderweireld - OK
Vertonghen - OK
Davies - Took his goal well, apart from that pretty standard.
Dier - Did a lot of pointing. There were times when people were looking for an out ball and he'd just be standing there. Pointing.
Dembele - Twisted and turned a bit.
Sissoko - We need to get him out of the shop window, it's killing his price.
Alli - fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, goal, fumble, fritter, bumble, tumble, subbed out.
Eriksen - I shudder to think what we'd be without him. More of the same from him. 61 passes and two assists, one superb one.
Kane - If Janssen had a game like this it would be "we've got to sign a striker who can do the business in games like this". He worked hard enough, was unlucky not to score, but it was the type of performance I've seen Janssen emulate and bring howls of derision. He was OK. Needed to get his head up a couple of times.