Dimitar Berbatov (Transfer Completed)

[nickspurs]

does anyone think that if a club is firmly interested in berba that we'd hold out for 25m+?

Yes. And we'd want a replacement lined up.

 

[Petyr]

Agreed, both him and his agent have kept nicely quiet so far. Full credit.



I think you can safely add:

Benzema and/or Fred from Lyon

Benzema said some weeks ago he does not want to move and yesterday reiterated his position, no big club would move for Fred

Saviola and/or Baptista from R.Madrid
no big club would sign them

Nikola Žigić from Valencia
no big club is interested in him

Schevchenko and/or Anelka from Chelsea
Milan may be interested in Sheva but they want to buy an younger player as they want to build a new team, no one of the giants seem to want Anelka

Lost of striker movement this summer!!!

The strikers who attract the attention of big clubs:
1) Benzema - unlikely to move, £40m
2) Drogba - Milan/Inter bound £20m
3) Eto'o - may stay, may move £30m
4) Villa - probably Chelsea £30m
5) Berbatov - £25-30m
6) Adebayor - unlikely to be let to move, £30-35m
7) Santa-Cruz - £15m, only one good season in his career so far and a long history of injuries
8) Huntelaar - £15m, mayb enot ready to shine at giants
9) Fabiano - in advanced talks to sign a new contract at
Sevilla, unimpressive career in Europe bar the last season
10) Gomez - Stuttgart want £40m
11) Guiza - only one good season so far, unlikely to attract the giants
12) Aguero - not for sale at the moment, £35m

Clubs that look to sign top strikers:
1) Milan - at least 1
2) Chelsea - maybe 2
3) Liverpool - if they sell Crouch, they will look for another striker
4) Arsenal - if they sell Adebayor...
5) Man U - they look for an experienced centre forward
6) Real - RvN and Raul are ageing, the others aren't top quality
7) Barca - if they sell Eto'o and Gudjonsen
8) Inter - only Zlatan is world class there
9) Bayern - maybe as Tony and Klose are in their 30ies already

To sum up, at least 8-9 top strikers will be signed during the summer. Only Drogba (?), Fabiano, Huntelaar and Guiza are cheaper than Berbatov but only Drogba seem to be better/on a par than/with Berba.

 

[brasil_spur]

Agreed, minimum would be £25m with a replacement lined up. Thing is you can probably get any of:

Drogba, Adebayor, Villa, Eto'o, Ibrahimovic

for £25m too.

 

[van_Pommel]

This is why i think there is a solid chance of Berba staying, there are just too many Strikers who are potentially moving club this summer who will want CL football and not enough teams with CL football and enough cash or need for these players.

Realistically anyone who wants Berbatov could have either Drogba or Eto'o plus someone like Fred for the money we are asking for Berbatov. Or David Villa plus some spare change.

Now come on, after his goals last night who would you rather have (assuming you're netural to the situation) - Berbatov or Villa?

I think if Drogba goes it will be for 25+ considering how much they brought him for and he's only got better.

 

[Petyr]

I think if Drogba goes it will be for 25+ considering how much they brought him for and he's only got better.

Drogba is 30 and wants to move. These two factors reduce his price.

 

[DoublePivot]

I don't believe Bayern are looking to sign forwards. They have the two superstars, Podolski and the kid Sikorski. They need a GK and DM desperately. And they aren't going to splash the cash as they did last year. They might sign a kid, but they will wait until next year until they start thinking about a new striker.

 

[brasil_spur]

The strikers who attract the attention of big clubs:
1) Benzema - unlikely to move, £40m
2) Drogba - Milan/Inter bound £20m
3) Eto'o - may stay, may move £30m
4) Villa - probably Chelsea £30m
5) Berbatov - £25-30m
6) Adebayor - unlikely to be let to move, £30-35m
7) Santa-Cruz - £15m, only one good season in his career so far and a long history of injuries
8) Huntelaar - £15m, mayb enot ready to shine at giants
9) Fabiano - in advanced talks to sign a new contract at
Sevilla, unimpressive career in Europe bar the last season
10) Gomez - Stuttgart want £40m
11) Guiza - only one good season so far, unlikely to attract the giants
12) Aguero - not for sale at the moment, £35m

Clubs that look to sign top strikers:
1) Milan - at least 1
2) Chelsea - maybe 2
3) Liverpool - if they sell Crouch, they will look for another striker
4) Arsenal - if they sell Adebayor...
5) Man U - they look for an experienced centre forward
6) Real - RvN and Raul are ageing, th eothers aren't top quality
7) Barca
8) Inter
9) Bayern - maybe as Tony and Klose are in their 30ies already

To sum up, at least 8-9 top strikers will be signed during the summer. Only Drogba, Fabiano and Guiza are cheaper than Berbatov but Fabiano and Guiza don't seem to attract much attention at the moment.

If someone offer £40m for Benzema Lyon will bite their hands off.

As for those players you said wouldn't move to top clubs, they are already at top clubs, except for Zigic.

Also we aren't even taking into consideration players who have been scouted as the next big thing. For example who'd have had Berbatov in that list two seasons ago.

We need to add Jo to that list too.

Also there are other things to remember like club rivalries, so although there are more clubs than players by your accounts, Chelsea wont sell to Man U or Liverpool, R.Madrid wont sell to Barca and vice versa. The Milans are also unlikely to trade with one another.

It looks like being a huge messy merry-go-round, which is why i think in the end there wont be as much movement as others think there will, at least not with the big star players.

 

[Petyr]

I don't believe Bayern are looking to sign forwards. They have the two superstars, Podolski and the kid Sikorski. They need a GK and DM desperately. And they aren't going to splash the cash as they did last year. They might sign a kid, but they will wait until next year until they start thinking about a new striker.

Klose isn't as good as he was at Werder while Podolski was a failure so far. If they make a good tournament Bayern may sell them and sign a new striker. But that's pretty hypothetical.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

re Berbatov and Milan

Bulgarian media cite Galliani's words today that "Berbatov and Mario Gomez are good players but we prefer to sign one of Drogba, Adebayor and Eto'o." He says also that they have already had talks with Drogba and Eto'o and enquired about the availability of Adebayor. No word about an offer for Berba. I'm not going to believe what he says though...

BTW if he takes Milan's offer for Berba only as a move in their game to sign Drogba or Eto'o, he would have probably put an accent on it rather than remaining silent.

The full quote gives a slightly different impression though:

AC Milan give up on Tottenham star Berbatov

Wednesday 11 June 2008 - 12:56:13 - Click to post or view

AC Milan have confirmed that any deal for Tottenham’s Dimitar Berbatov is very unlikely to happen.

AC Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani told SKY Italia that their interest in in Berbatov has declined and that there are three other players that they now will target, he said

“Dimitar Berbatov and Mario Gomez? Our interest in those two has declined and I think if a great striker arrives he will be one of the first three I mentioned.

The three that he mentioned are Eto’o, Drogba and Adebayor.



I think he is basically saying that us and Stuttgart have priced them out of a move/refused to listen to offers by both insisting on £40m.

 

[brasil_spur]

I think if Drogba goes it will be for 25+ considering how much they brought him for and he's only got better.

Agree with Petyr on this one, he had just had a shit hot season at Monaco before he signed for Chelsea and like Petyr says he is getting old and also wants the move.

 

[Petyr]

If someone offer £40m for Benzema Lyon will bite their hands off.

As for those players you said wouldn't move to top clubs, they are already at top clubs, except for Zigic.

They are at big clubs but aren't wanted by big clubs.

Also we aren't even taking into consideration players who have been scouted as the next big thing. For example who'd have had Berbatov in that list two seasons ago.

Liverpool wanted to sign Berbatov already at the end of 2004 and Man U wanted to sign him 2006. Mario Gomez is now what Berbatov was in the Bundesliga.

We need to add Jo to that list too. Man City bound, unproven still btw

Also there are other things to remember like club rivalries, so although there are more clubs than players by your accounts, Chelsea wont sell to Man U or Liverpool, R.Madrid wont sell to Barca and vice versa. The Milans are also unlikely to trade with one another.

That's right but it won't stop the merry-go-round imo as the strikers from one league will move to another league.

It looks like being a huge messy merry-go-round, which is why i think in the end there wont be as much movement as others think there will, at least not with the big star players.

At least 6 star players will be signed simply because the clubs need new strikers.

 

[brasil_spur]

AC Milan have confirmed that any deal for Tottenham’s Dimitar Berbatov is very unlikely to happen. :grin::grin:

....if a great striker arrives he will be one of the first three I mentioned. :grin::grin::grin::grin:

Cheers Dan, good to see this looking better for us.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The full quote gives a slightly different impression though:

AC Milan give up on Tottenham star Berbatov

Wednesday 11 June 2008 - 12:56:13 - Click to post or view

AC Milan have confirmed that any deal for Tottenham’s Dimitar Berbatov is very unlikely to happen.

AC Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani told SKY Italia that their interest in in Berbatov has declined and that there are three other players that they now will target, he said

“Dimitar Berbatov and Mario Gomez? Our interest in those two has declined and I think if a great striker arrives he will be one of the first three I mentioned.

The three that he mentioned are Eto’o, Drogba and Adebayor.



I think he is basically saying that us and Stuttgart have priced them out of a move/refused to listen to offers by both insisting on £40m.

Thing is, Eto'o's club aren't desperate to keep him as they are rebuilding and only Messi and Xavi appear completely indispensible (and Bojan).

Adebayors club, while wanting to keep him and having relied on him a bit last season, have unbelievable players in Eduardo and Van Persie, while Walcott keeps improving, Vela is back and with the money they receive for Adebayor Wenger is very capable of getting someone in who has as big an impact for half the price.

Drogba's club are, from what all Chavs I speak to say, sick of his attitude towards them.

 

[Petyr]

The full quote gives a slightly different impression though:

AC Milan give up on Tottenham star Berbatov

Wednesday 11 June 2008 - 12:56:13 - Click to post or view

AC Milan have confirmed that any deal for Tottenham’s Dimitar Berbatov is very unlikely to happen.

AC Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani told SKY Italia that their interest in in Berbatov has declined and that there are three other players that they now will target, he said

“Dimitar Berbatov and Mario Gomez? Our interest in those two has declined and I think if a great striker arrives he will be one of the first three I mentioned.

The three that he mentioned are Eto’o, Drogba and Adebayor.



I think he is basically saying that us and Stuttgart have priced them out of a move/refused to listen to offers by both insisting on £40m.

Honestly, I don't believe that Spurs want £40m. I don't doubt that you were told so but Berbatov's agent's talk indicates that there is no firm asking price. He was asked whether there is such a price and he said that there is no such price as the price will be determined in the course of negotiations. The function of that rumour (£40m) is to scare possible bidders and to raise the basis of the transfer negotiations, i.e. prepare the ground for a very good transfer, possibly in the region of £30m. If Spurs told Milan after their first offer that they want £40m Milan wouldn't come back with a second attempt in the region of £20m, that would be nonsense.

 

[brasil_spur]

Liverpool wanted to sign Berbatov already at the end of 2004 and Man U wanted to sign him 2006. Mario Gomez is now what Berbatov was in the Bundesliga.

I'm sure there are players who Liverpool wanted 3 years ago and who Man U wanted (i.e. linked with in papers) last year who aren't on that list above is my point. Berbatov had almost no media hype around him when we signed him.

As for Jo - well let's see if anyone else comes in for him first, but a huge amount of successful players are unproven at 21, he has a good record both in Brazil and Russia (actually his record in Russia is unbelievable).

 

[nickspurs]

Honestly, I don't believe that Spurs want £40m. I don't doubt that you were told so but Berbatov's agent's talk indicates that there is no firm asking price. He was asked whether there is such a price and he said that there is no such price as the price will be determined in the course of negotiations. The function of that rumour (£40m) is to scare possible bidders and to raise the basis of the transfer negotiations, i.e. prepare the ground for a very good transfer, possibly in the region of £30m. If Spurs told Milan after their first offer that they want £40m Milan wouldn't come back with a second attempt in the region of £20m, that would be nonsense.

He's an agent, an amateur and has heavily vested interests with no real consequences if he lies. I know who I trust out of Dan and Berba's agent.

Your arguments get ever more desperate Petyr. I know you refuse to believe that Spurs are capable of keeping Berba out of the clutches of a 'bigger' club but it's going pretty well so far...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

you are talking about the badly injured Eduardo and the injury prone Persi, that hardly constitutes a sound argument

Ronaldo came back from worse injuries to single handedly almost win inter the league and then brazil the world cup despite having barely played in two years, so eduardo's injury is of little consequence regarding a possible adebayor transfer.

As for Van Persie, if Wenger thought he could not get over the injury problems he'd have shipped him out by now, and when fit he's amongst the best in Europe.

And as I said, if Adebayor leaves, with the money Wenger has he'll take about £10m of the fee and spend it on someone who will be every bit as good. (anelka goes, Henry comes for half the price, Henry goes, Eduardo comes for £6m less, etc etc)

As has been said, you seem determined that we have no hope of keeping Berbatov. I personally get the impression that you would like to see him elsewhere because you don't think we're big enough for Bulgaria's best

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Honestly, I don't believe that Spurs want £40m. I don't doubt that you were told so but Berbatov's agent's talk indicates that there is no firm asking price. He was asked whether there is such a price and he said that there is no such price as the price will be determined in the course of negotiations. The function of that rumour (£40m) is to scare possible bidders and to raise the basis of the transfer negotiations, i.e. prepare the ground for a very good transfer, possibly in the region of £30m. If Spurs told Milan after their first offer that they want £40m Milan wouldn't come back with a second attempt in the region of £20m, that would be nonsense.

Of course £40m is an opening bartering figure, but we don't wont nor need to sell so can play hardball as much as we like. It would need to be well over £30m - i.e the level where we consider we could get an equally good or better replacement in and have money left over to improve other areas - to turn our head at all.

Didn't Stort describe this second bid as cheeky (or cheaply anyway)? That's why I'm guessing it was £22-24m. And by Galliani's reaction today they were clearly given a resounding no.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Of course £40m is an opening bartering figure, but we don't wont nor need to sell so can play hardball as much as we like. It would need to be well over £30m - i.e the level where we consider we could get an equally good or better replacement in and have money left over to improve other areas - to turn our head at all.

Didn't Stort describe this second bid as cheeky (or cheaply anyway)? That's why I'm guessing it was £22-24m. And by Galliani's reaction today they were clearly given a resounding no.

out of interest dan, is the whole "we have an option of an extra 2 years on his contract like we did with Keane" thing true or just something us fans want to believe?

 

[Bizness]

I assume the Milan quotes re Berba are an attempt to get us to reduce our price...